Helpmabob

Hi John – There you go, you’ve found yet another thing that I cannot explain at the moment! However, as this thread is about not going to Hell, let me get it back on topic by offering something from the Bible that does offers hope of real rewards in that area: Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. [Revelation 3:12] Thus, those who put their trust in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour are told that we will be safe with Him for ever.

Hi Jack - I’m not entirely sure - I suppose I looked around at what was on offer at the time, did a bit of a reconnaissance, and found bits like: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. [John 1:1-3] That was intriguing enough for me to do a fuller search in the Bible. Who, after all, would make something like that up? But far more important than you wondering why I looked in the Bible is to wonder how I found Him there.

JPD

With sufficient numbers a cardiac arrest isn't out of the question then?

It is me. I tried to negate myself but i didn't add up. I also tried sensing beyond sense, having been told that our senses are imperfect, but because of the imperfect nature of my senses, um, where was I going again?

JPD

So in what way is this a good thing exactly? I just can't see the benefits to wandering around looking like a schoolboy who has scribbled all over his face thinking that the lid was on. Do you want me to look through these "special" binoculars?

Clarice O'C

Who said that our senses are imperfect? Even if you need glasses or a hearing aid, those senses can sense everything plus you can taste, feel, and smell. You have all that you need to observe, understand and know.

JPD

I quite agree with you.
It is normally employed by Hindus but has been used by believers of other faiths a number of times in various threads here (not this one as yet). It goes something like "The primary evidence is revealed scripture which originates beyond human understanding. Due to imperfect senses we make false distinctions but devotion lies beyond these." The point is that, if our senses are imperfect, how can we possibly be in a position to comprehend anything proposed to lie "beyond" them? I made the point in response to the question about closing self down. It is along similar lines.

Clarice O'C

Hey, I promise I will stop using 'xian' if you don't use bible excerpts. IMO, a most rewarding thing about being human is that we can think for ourselves. We can be our own authorities.

John A. Broussard

Answers like these sure simplify discussion. If you don't know why you believe what you believe, there isn't much point in even discussing those beliefs.

Thanks for sharing with us your uncertainties.

Helpmabob

JPD - No our God is a rock and a firm foundation (possibly more useful material there for your sharp wit). Not to beat about the bush, you are probably going to hell at the moment, but you can seek God whilst he may be found [Isaiah 55:6]. It’s not difficult to understand, but impossible for some to swallow.

Hi John - Turn the binoculars round the other way, if you dare, and everything will become clear.

Hi Clarice - If God exists (and I know there are firm views either way on this) then this becomes rather debatable. No, I was merely illustrating how this cuts both ways, but I choose to use the Bible to try to help explain my views; you can use science, or common sense or whatever you like.

John A. Broussard

This statement undoubtedly has profound meaning for you but, unfortunately, it has no meaning at all for me.

I know it requires a lot of patience on your part, but I would appreciate it if you would humor me by explaining exactly what you are saying here.

I look forward to your answer.

John A. Broussard

It's truly amazing that someone like you, who can explain virtually nothing about his beliefs in some vague supernatural being, can casually toss off the notion that someone is probably going to end up in a hell fire of eternal torment.

Maybe that is something you can explain.

I look forward a possible explanation.