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Peter Kirby · 05-14-2007, 02:29 AM

With new books popping up all the time, and with old ones being forgotten, we could use a bibliography.

Please help with compiling a list of books and articles that are roughly in the no-Jesus genre.

Ted Hoffman · 05-14-2007, 09:03 AM

Too lazy so I will just list two.
J.M.Robertson A Short History of Jesus
Arthur Drews The Jesus Myth

Peter Kirby · 05-14-2007, 05:23 PM

I have Wells's Can We Trust the New Testament?. In the first chapter, "A Revolution in Christology," Wells displays himself as being dependent on some of Doherty's key ideas. Is it possible that the classical Wellsian thesis will go the way of the dodo? Without even its founder holding to it, I would guess so.

I find that interesting, though I'm not sure what to say about it. Comments?

Toto · 05-14-2007, 05:35 PM

How can Wells be dependent on Doherty's ideas, when Doherty wrote after him? Which of Doherty's ideas?

Doherty says that he was inspired by hearing Wells speak, but is not in total agreement with him.

Peter Kirby · 05-14-2007, 05:40 PM

Wells wrote that book and published it in 2004.

That Paul et al. speak of a heavenly Christ.

youngalexander · 05-14-2007, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Kirby

I have Wells's Can We Trust the New Testament?. In the first chapter, "A Revolution in Christology," Wells displays himself as being dependent on some of Doherty's key ideas. Is it possible that the classical Wellsian thesis will go the way of the dodo? Without even its founder holding to it, I would guess so.

I find that interesting, though I'm not sure what to say about it. Comments?

I have only read the five pages of ch 1. previewed, but apart from citing Doherty on pg 3 re lack of historical detail in early Christian writings, he says on pg 4

...Earl Doherty, ... hold(s) that the earliest Christian writers did not believe Jesus to have come to Earth as a man at all. I have never maintained this view.

and offers further criticisms later in the same par.

Peter Kirby · 05-14-2007, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngalexander

I have only read the five pages of ch 1. previewed, but apart from citing Doherty on pg 3 re lack of historical detail in early Christian writings, he says on pg 4

...Earl Doherty, ... hold(s) that the earliest Christian writers did not believe Jesus to have come to Earth as a man at all. I have never maintained this view.

and offers further criticisms later in the same par.

Yup. Looks like we don't have a dodo here after all. :redface:

S.C.Carlson · 05-15-2007, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngalexander

I have only read the five pages of ch 1. previewed, but apart from citing Doherty on pg 3 re lack of historical detail in early Christian writings, he says on pg 4

...Earl Doherty, ... hold(s) that the earliest Christian writers did not believe Jesus to have come to Earth as a man at all. I have never maintained this view.

and offers further criticisms later in the same par.

It may depend on what is meant by "the earliest Christian writers"? It's a relative term.

Stephen

Solo · 05-15-2007, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngalexander

I have only read the five pages of ch 1. previewed, but apart from citing Doherty on pg 3 re lack of historical detail in early Christian writings, he says on pg 4

...Earl Doherty, ... hold(s) that the earliest Christian writers did not believe Jesus to have come to Earth as a man at all. I have never maintained this view.

and offers further criticisms later in the same par.

That is correct: Wells used to believe that Paul, and the earliest Christians thought, Jesus lived (on earth, as a human) in some distant past.

Jiri

fta · 11-18-2007, 07:38 PM

Found online at the Internet Archive: several early 20th century mythicist works.

Arthur Drews, Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus (1912)

W.B. Smith, Ecce Deus (1913)

J.M. Robertson, The Jesus Problem (1917)

05-14-2007, 02:29 AM	#1
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Bibliography of the no-Jesus writers With new books popping up all the time, and with old ones being forgotten, we could use a bibliography. Please help with compiling a list of books and articles that are roughly in the no-Jesus genre.

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05-14-2007, 09:03 AM	#2
Ted Hoffman Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: "" Posts: 3,863	Too lazy so I will just list two. J.M.Robertson A Short History of Jesus Arthur Drews The Jesus Myth

05-14-2007, 05:23 PM	#3
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	I have Wells's Can We Trust the New Testament?. In the first chapter, "A Revolution in Christology," Wells displays himself as being dependent on some of Doherty's key ideas. Is it possible that the classical Wellsian thesis will go the way of the dodo? Without even its founder holding to it, I would guess so. I find that interesting, though I'm not sure what to say about it. Comments?

05-14-2007, 05:35 PM	#4
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	How can Wells be dependent on Doherty's ideas, when Doherty wrote after him? Which of Doherty's ideas? Doherty says that he was inspired by hearing Wells speak, but is not in total agreement with him.

05-14-2007, 05:40 PM	#5
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Wells wrote that book and published it in 2004. That Paul et al. speak of a heavenly Christ.

11-18-2007, 07:38 PM	#10
fta Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Oceania Posts: 334	Found online at the Internet Archive: several early 20th century mythicist works. Arthur Drews, Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus (1912) W.B. Smith, Ecce Deus (1913) J.M. Robertson, The Jesus Problem (1917)

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