Biff the unclean

Deanna Laney didn’t know God? You’ve repeated this assertion but you have no way of knowing if she knew God or not. You can’t tell by her story since it’s the same story as Father Abraham’s.

If you don’t make this clear in your writing what you are doing amounts to fibbing

Now you are equating Jesus on the cross with a leg cramp. I never cease to marvel at how quickly Christians will discard articles of their faith

And you see nothing wrong with this?

But they are really good cookies.
Why do you have to have pain to get a reward? If you equate studying with pain...then you have a problem.
You earn a gold medal and a Ph.D. through your own efforts, not through punishment. Do you get your cookie from God based on your works?

John A. Broussard

Do you really, honestly believe that god sends hailstones down to hurt people? That he strikes down sinners with lightning bolts? That he rewards the just by dripping rain on their crops?

I find it difficult to believe that a seemigly rational person, in this day and age, would still believe that meteorological phenomena are supernatural methods of apportioning rewards and punishment.

Say it ain't so.

Amaleq13

So heaven is only heaven if there is a hell and somebody is in it suffering? The value of a reward is only to be found in the existence of those who do not obtain it?

Seems kind of twisted to me.

Wallener

Maybe it's time to move this thread over to GRD...

Anat

Often during 'call-in' type of programs on Israeli radio stations you can hear some people say that peace with the Palestinians, or certain Palestinian leaders is wrong, because they are Amalek.

Anat

Indeed. Lee, does the existence of people who starve on a regular basis make your meals taste better or worse?

lee_merrill

Hi everyone,

Actually, it is not, because with Abraham, God acted supernaturally.

No, I'm saying the same principle can be seen on a smaller scale, not that the situations are on the same scale.

Because we admire people more when they went through some pain in order to achieve some goal. An easy ride not so admirable.

Well, the objection here was based on the Biblical account, not on an edited version of it.

Yes, I do believe God is in control of the rain and hail, but that is another topic...

No, the reward is because of overcoming pain and suffering you have experienced, you yourself.

Regards,
Lee

Therese

Wow - some sick, sick people wrote the bible.

I agree with you Sven. The Jewish language has many different words for many different kinds of love. Some of them are sweet and lovely I am sure.....

Biff the unclean

Deanna Laney had the same supernatural God experience Abraham did. God spoke to her in her dreams and supernaturally in a voice only she could hear. Deanna must have believed in God more strongly than Abraham, because she killed two of her own children for God's glory. Abraham became distracted by a sheep he decided to steal. Deanna was no rustler

You Christians never surprise me…the contempt you hold humanity in is unspeakable. Human suffering is just peachy with you guys, you find it admirable.
Your religion isn’t the source of morality. To have morality one must first have empathy. Your religion fosters sociopaths. It’s no wonder you can’t understand non-Christians taking offense at your stories glorifying genocide.

John A. Broussard

You have an amazing knack for not answering the question. Want to try again?

The question was, "Do you really, honestly believe that god sends hailstones down to hurt people?"

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Thank you.