spin

Chili, your post doesn't seem to have anything to do with either the post you claim to be responding to or with the thread in general. When you make comments on a thread in response to a previous post, you need to demonstrate the connection between your thoughts and what came before otherwisde you post will be seen as irrelevant as this current one of your does.

I would like to be able to see some direct connection between what you post and the threads that you post them to, but on the few occasions I do see connections they appear to be extremely tangential.

Vork is dealing with why the gospels might talk about Galilee. How is Rev 13 directly related to Galilee? How are the beasts relevant to the discussion? I don't think they are. So, why exactly did you mention them?


spin

Chili

Galilee had always been like the land of the "unknown" to me where one must sort things out before it is possible to enter Isreal (Israel is a state of mind here and I got this from Gen.2:10-14). In Mat.19 Joseph-in-Egypt was told in a dream to go to Israel where he would be Joseph-in-Israel but since Herod had a follower Joseph had to settle in the region of Galilee to deal with Archelaus who was the "new King" of his Judaism.

The transition from Galilee to Israel is what the messianic movement is all about, wherefore there will be both saints and sinners in Galilee and the difference between these two is what the first and second beast of Rev.13 describe. Both these two beast will be residents of Galilee (Purgatory we call it) where only those who are begotten from above will be succesful and Joseph was one of these. Those who were begotten from above will come from the sea and from below will come from the land (spirit begets spirit and flesh begets flesh).

John 6 deals with this: "unlike your ancestors who ate manna but died" etc. were in Galilee and they died nonetheless = despite the fact that they were in Galilee.

Remember here that I hold that the Gospels take place in Purgatory or from Egypt via Galilee to Israel (in Catholicism it is via the back door to Heaven with the back door leading to Purgatory).

Edited to add that the concept called Galilee is an archetypal necessity or it would not be predictable. Prophets look at archetypal images to make their bold statements and we are mesmerized by them because they are archetypal (native to humans).

spin

This discussion is bound to be split as not related at all to the thread, and rightly so. However, you have given more of the same and no tangible link between your musings and the thread's interest in Galilee. You go off in a tangent from going off in a tangent. We chase what you are not saying about Galilee and you're off into an Israel which is a state of mind (to take just one item), and that has totally nothing to do with the topic.

The basic problem of the thread is "why specifically Galilee?" If I can glean anything from what you have said, you don't think that there is anything to indicate specifically why Galilee. It could have been any place other than your imagined Israel so that we have the transition from not-Israel to Israel, so your musing simply have nothing to do with this thread.

So, mods, away we go.


spin

spin

Now Chili, tell me why you think this series of posts has been split from the main thread?


spin

Chili

Except that if Israel is a state of mind Galilee is not a physical location either even if it may have been for the purpose of illustration. You wrote that there was a messianic movement going on in Galilee and that is exactly what I say that Galilee stands for (if only because there is no 'cause' for movement in Israel). Israel is our Heaven = is one with God = is to know the depth, breadth and width of the Lord your God = just knowing who you really are.

The basic problem of the thread is "why specifically Galilee?" [/quote]

But there is no problem because there is only one place to go after one is born again and that place is called Galilee in the Gospels . . . which can even be a state of mind in Egypt because the Gospels are descriptive of a mental journey and not a physical journey. Isreal is not a peace of land but it is a state of mind between the Tigris and the Euphrates (eu=bright and phrates=mind) wherefore the Jews are not supposed to have a homeland lest they try to purify the land itself instead of their own mind. In Gen.2:14 Galilee is foreshadowed with the Tigris that flows east of Asshur (Eden) and once there the Euphrates will be.

Chili

But spin, I understand that you guys are looking for a reason why Galilee was chosen and I am telling you that the word Galilee is just a metaphor for the new direction that must be taken after metanoia, and this includes a 180 degree departure from the ways of religion, slavery and sin.

spin

On what grounds do you assume this? If you know that what you are talking about has nothing directly to do with the thread, why say it?

On what grounds do you interpret the texts that we are dealing with metaphorically to be dealing with states of mind? Would you read the story of Hezekiah's reign metaphorically as something apparently unrelated to what it deals with? What about the narrative of Ezra? Is it intended to be metaphorical for some state of mind? What about umm, Conan the Barbarian? Dr Seuss?

There is a process that I cannot see you involved in: you start with a literature and extract from it the meaning that it offers in relation to the context in which it was written. You are still doing eisegesis and not exegesis and therefore I don't think there is any way for you to know what you are saying based on your starting material.


spin

Chili

It's in the bible! When Joseph did his 180 he left the idea of slavery and set out towards Israel. To get there he condemned religion, converted his shepherds into apostels and was determined to succeed even if that would include some time to reorganize his faculties in Galilee.

spin

I don't believe you. I think you are fantasticating. The only biblical Joseph I know regarding slavery was the son of Jacob.

What is the textual support for this?? I don't think you have anything tangible. You will go to some other text which will require you to read into it what you need, then we look at this next text and you will require something else and you end up with a chain of loose connections made not directly from the text at all, but held together in your head. It doesn't seem to originate from the text at all.

Which shepherds? Shepherds are shepherds. What makes you think they were anything else?

Succeed in what, based on specific textual indications?

How does Galilee come into the Joseph (the ex-slave) story?


spin

Chili

Nono, that was when he went to give an account of himself in Betlehem in Judah(ism), and in case you missed it, he skipped Passover for good reason.That's what the temple ruckus was all about and he barely entered it, and would never again because from there must come those who will put him to death (that was in your "the father" exercise; Jn.16:2).Sure, shepherds herding sheep at night to vacate the stable. The shepherds were is ousia's that were given up in exchange for the par-ousai. Remember the great pearl parable? The shepherds were his helpers (qualities) and they were taking care of his assets outside his conscious mind to make sure that the house was swept clean so no evil spirits could return (his rebirth was a non-rational event). There must be a whole bunch of them but here is one "I tell you truly, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices; you will grieve for a time, but your grieve will be turned into joy" (Jn.16:20)

And here is a better one (my all time favorite), Jn.21:18:

I tell you solemly:
as a young man
you fastened your belt
and went about life as you pleased;
but when you are older
you will stretch out your hands,
and another will tie you fast
and carry you off agianst your will.

Very poetic and a lovely gospel, spin. There is actually a flash-back to this passage in Revelation someplace but I forgot where. Because he went there under the power of the HS (Luke14:4), which was the angel of the lord in Matthew. Besides, don't all born-again people go to where "the spirit is moving," and if that is called Galilee, so be it.

And btw, I just read the passage where they expelled him from the synagoge because he was so angry with them (verse 29).