Chili

But who's collecting the junk here while missing the core message of the metaphor?

My all time favorite is Goldings contemplation found in the pivotal chapter 6 of "The Spire."

". . . where solidity balanced in midair among the birds, held its breath over a series of diminshing squares with a round hole at the bottom which was nevertheless the top."

And the most enigmatic: "Downward I peered/ to ruins applied myself/ wailing learned of them/ then fell down thence.

JoeWallack

JW:
Is it just me or is Chili starting to remind anyone else of Ben Stiller's "Master" in Mysteries Men with the overly long sentences that always switch verbs and nouns at the start and end?



Joseph

Chili

That was a quote from Golding and the whole sentence was much longer.

Chili

That's an interesting comment.

Was there a messianic movement in Galilee in those days? or does the word Galilee imply the nature of such a thing?

Chili

Just after Jesus was born unto Joseph he was called to go to the land of Israel but went to Galilee instead and there settled in Nazareth to work out his salvation in fear and trembling (Mat.2:19-). I think that Galilee was like Purgatory to him . . . especially if it was known for its messianic movement!

spin

Listen Chili, I don't really know what you think you are doing here. This forum is Biblical Criticism and History. I use the name in full for you so that you might consider the words. Biblical Criticism, ie an attempt to deal critically with the biblical literature using relatively objective tools of analysis. I see no efforts from you in the matter of critical approach or of objective tools. History also has similar requirements of critical analysis and objective tools. Without them you aren't doing what is required of you here and you don't fit into the category of those who ask questions related to Biblical Criticism and History. You usually don't ask questions but drop an unsupported web of quasi-biblical metaphor on readers for some reason unfathomable it seems to any of us.

The texts you are dealing with do not suggest the things you relate above. Your thinking that Galilee relates to purgatory is eisegesis, ie something that you read into the text, not exegesis, ie something you extract from it.


spin

Chili

I know and sorry about that, but are we not allowed to add a little philosophy to the mix? I once took some contemplative logic (Port Royal) and there induction was very much appreciated (I got an A+ for it).

Vorkosigan

The logic you propose is not shared here, Chili. It might be better if you took such comments to General Religious Discussions.

Chili

Because Galilee is where 'it's' at!

Galilee is Purgatory and Heaven all at once or the saints in heaven would not be entertained by the folly of the suffering souls in purgatory.

Chili

Good point. If you go to Rev. 13 you will find that the first beast was in Purgatory for 42 months while the second beast remained there.

The first beast was begotten from above (the sea) and the second from below (the earth). The first beast was able to change its own world and the second beast was (and still is) determined to change the world around him.

Please keep this in mind when you vote today. Happy day to all.