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Old 12-12-2006, 01:13 PM   #11
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So can a case be made that translating ιησους (ο λεγομενος) χριστος as Jesus (who was called the) Christ is misleading? Should "Christ" just have been "anointed" in the translation? χριστος after all has a common (?) meaning in Greek (anointed), while "Christ" does not have that meaning in English. "Christ" in English thus conveys an aura of specialness, unusualness, of "something we've never seen before," that may not be in the original text.

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# Then the LORD said to Moses, Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels (about 12.5 pounds or 6kg) of liquid myrrh, half as much (that is, 250 shekels) of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels (about 3kg) of fragrant cane, 500 shekels of cassia--all according to the sanctuary shekel--and a hin (about 4quarts or 4liters) of olive oil. Make these into a sacred anointing oil, a fragrant blend, the work of a perfumer. It will be the sacred anointing oil.?- Exodus 30: 22-25
# Although myrrh, cinnamon, cassia, olive oil and calamus (if that?s what fragrant cane refers to) don?t treat epileptic seizures, they still have many therapeutic properties. Much more than most people might think. Some of the treatments are very interesting because they relate to some of the medical miracles that doctor Jesus has been credited for. These include: antiseptic to heal wounds (myrrh, cinnamon, cassia, olive); menstrual disturbances or uterine hemorrhage (myrrh, cinnamon, cassia); rheumatism (myrrh, olive oil); fevers (cinnamon, olive); pruritus (olive oil); dropsy/edema (olive oil). www.botanical.com for reference.
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Is not Jesus Chanel a legitimate translation? Are the words "the work of a perfumer" in the Bible?

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Cosmetics have been used for as long as there have been people to use them. Face painting is mentioned in the Old Testament (Ezekiel 23:40) and eye shadow was used in Egyptian burials dating back to 10,000 BC (Llewelyn) The word "cosmetae" was first used to describe Roman slaves whose function was to bathe men and women in perfume. (Keville, Green) Since the Egyptians, each subsequent civilization invented unique words that referred to cosmetics and fragrance as one science, but the science eroded after Rome. Anthropologists speculate that primitive perfumery began with the burning of gums and resins for incense. Richly scented plants were fused into animal and vegetable oils for ceremonial anointings and for pleasure. From 7,000 to 4,000 BC, the fatty oils of olive and sesame were combined with fragrant plants to create the original Neolithic ointments. When the Egyptians were learning to write and make bricks in 3,000 BC, they were also importing large quantities of myrrh. The earliest recorded items of Egyptian commerce included spices, gums and other fragrant plants that were reserved mainly for religious use. (Keville, Green)
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How exactly were these terms used prior to their association with "Jesus"?

I know that in the OT anointed one is used to describe kings. I see that Josephus never uses the term Christ aside from in the two questionable passages regarding Jesus, but one of my questions is whether he could be referring to Jesus son of Damneus as a Christ, or "anointed one".

This seems to be possible, except for the fact that he never uses the term elsewhere or explains it.

So, at any rate, what was the usage of these terms prior to the rise of Christianity?
It may be worthwhile expanding our question beyond what became the orthodox strand of Christianity. Other early Christians saw Jesus and the Christ as separate entities. Some saw Jesus as the man and the Christ as the heavenly being; others saw both Jesus and Christ as two separate spirit entities that eventually united. We may be limiting our responses by the way we frame questions exclusively within the sect that won out politically in the end.

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