dongiovanni1976x

In chapter 26 verse 12...please fill in teh pronouns however you prefer as long as it is a PROPER SPECIFIC NOUN:

____ will plunder ____ riches and loot _____ merchandise; _____ shall break down _____ walls and destroy ______ fine houses. _____ stones and timber and soil ____ shall cast into the water.

Richbee

Not from Tyre!

Not really a King either? No kingdom to rule? The citizens were led away to slavery! Farrel Till denies this and claims that not EVERYONE was led away!

Ha! Who was left, the fish?

Ah, the glory that was Tyre was and is no more.

Ezekiel 28:17

Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.

dongiovanni1976x

Also please fill in the following with proper nouns:

(26:19) When I (God) make ____ a city laid waste, like cities that are not inhabited, when I (God) bring the deep over ____ and the great waters cover ____ (20) then I (God) will thrust _____ down with those who descend into the Pit...with those people who go down to the Pit, so that _____ will not be inhabited

dongiovanni1976x

Are you telling me that Alexander did not leave some citizens in Tyre with his own puppet king? That Tyre did NOT recovered quickly from the siege of 332BC, that the siege by Alexander's general Antigionus less than 20 years later never happened or something? Do you know that much about ancient history or the history of Tyre?

In any event, as far as the ancient sources go, Arrian informs us that after Alexander breached Tyre’s walls he had 8,000 Tyrians killed and Quintus Curtius says 2,000 were crucified along a stretch of the coast. Our ancient sources also agree that about 30,000 were sold into slavery. However, Alexander, who was consciously building an empire, pardoned the local nobility as well as Tyre’s King, Azemilcus. But, being no fool, Alexander installed a puppet king in his stead, Ballonymous, to govern the city in his absence. Thus the city was still inhabited in 332 B.C.. (Diodorus 17.46.5-6) Minted coins have been uncovered from this time period as well but changed from Phoenician to Attic style do to its new governor. (Jidejian, N., Tyre though the Ages 1969 p80) When Antigonus came to take the city from his rival Ptolemy, Nina Jidejian informs us that, “Eighteen years had passed since Alexander had seized the Tyre and the city had recovered rapidly.” (sources for this event: Diodorus’s Histories 19:58.2-5 and Polybius “The Histories” 5.62)

dongiovanni1976x

Quoting your own source, "Ezekiel predicts that Tyre would not be rebuilt, and that it would become a place for the spreading of fishnets. From Arrian's descriptions it is very clear that Alexander did not level the island fortress, in fact, he had Tyre rebuilt. Tyre remained an important trading and manufacturing center that was fought over by Alexander's immediate successors, the Ptolemies and the Seleucids."

Did you even read your own source?

Plus, it is interesting that your own source, John Bloom, is not talking about a kingdom he is specifically talking about a city (i.e. Tyre) not being rebuilt. Again quoting your source, "Recent excavations at Tyre show how large the city was in Roman times. A hippodrome with a seating capacity for 60,000 people and a large necropolis were discovered on the mainland in the 1970's. Clearly in New Testament times, the prophecy of Ezekiel was not fulfilled."

You seem to be confused about whether or not to agree with your own source.

Richbee

Absolutely, did you see where I said, I disagreed with Bloom?

IMO, Ezekiel's prophesy is against more than a physical city, it's against the King and the false gods - the Baals.

Alexander destroyed Tyre and led away the citizens as slaves. (I am curious about additional sources here.)

There were no more Tyrians or Phoencians - just slaves or defeated ex-citizens of Tyre. No more ships. No more Navy.

Greeks don't count IMO. Also, Arabs don't count in rebuilding what remains today.

Richbee

So, are you saying that Tyre did *NOT* become a spectacle before Kings? Do you deny that after Tyre's defeat by Alexander, Tyrian commerce and wealth went to Alexandria?

Can you say, LOST GLORY? LOST WEALTH? LOST POWER? Why quibble?

If you don't believe that Tyre was destroyed, and if you buy Greeks and their gods running the place, O.K.

Bloom goes on to explain, that the prophesy was later to be fulfilled in totality.

Jack the Bodiless

...But John Bloom is a MORON, Richbee (as I have already pointed out, in post #129 on this thread).

Why should we care about anything this MORON says?

And why can't you simply accept that you were wrong, and that the prophecy failed? All you're doing now is quoting the baseless opinions of deluded Christian apologists and repeating "facts" that are simply NOT TRUE.

Modern Tyre IS on the same site. It IS the 4th largest city in Lebanon. The nothern harbor (which is similar in size to the silted-up southern one) IS one of the two original harbors of Tyre. Alexander DID NOT destroy Tyre (not that HE was supposed to, anyhow). Ezekiel is a FAILED prophet. He predicted that Tyre would become a BARE ROCK and would NEVER BE REBUILT.

Why do you continue to bury your head in the sand and deny the facts? Why can't you simply accept that the Bible contains errors (as most Christians do)?

Why are you so desperate to deny reality?

...And what's with the pictures? If I posted a picture of somebody fishing off a Manhattan pier, angled so that no skyscrapers are in the frame: this proves that New York has been destroyed? I could add a photo of "Ground Zero" if you like. And a few tramps, to show that its "prosperity" is no more.

dongiovanni1976x

Yes. You scoffed at the notion that Alexander installed his own king in Tyre and said, "Ha! Who was left (to rule), the fish?" This directly implied that you believed that Tyre was destroyed and had no inhabitants (except for fish in your mind). Alexander knew the strategic importance of Tyre and would not have killed EVERYONE...and evidence of inhabitants is there as I quoted from Dr. Jidejian as well as the fact that Antigonus besieged the city less than two decades later.

dongiovanni1976x

Richbee, I need you to clarify these pronouns still.

In chapter 26 verse 12...please fill in the pronouns however you prefer as long as it is a PROPER SPECIFIC NOUN:

____ will plunder ____ riches and loot _____ merchandise; _____ shall break down _____ walls and destroy ______ fine houses. _____ stones and timber and soil ____ shall cast into the water.

Also please fill in the following with proper nouns:

(26:19) When I (God) make ____ a city laid waste, like cities that are not inhabited, when I (God) bring the deep over ____ and the great waters cover ____ (20) then I (God) will thrust _____ down with those who descend into the Pit...with those people who go down to the Pit, so that _____ will not be inhabited