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dongiovanni1976x · 04-02-2006, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Febble

So we have a choice of right month, right place, or right time of the lunar cycle, but not all at once. And the duration is wrong.

Good point

jackrabbit · 04-02-2006, 07:11 AM

Since it could not be an eclipse as described, where is the evidence that other civilizations recorded a three-hour darkness? There was not a link in the post that made this claim.

Jack the Bodiless · 04-02-2006, 03:34 PM

I think this is good evidence that the Gospel of Matthew (the only one that mentions the supernatural darkness) was written decades later. A total eclipse in Palestine would have been a very significant event: hardly surprising that "Matthew" would seek to weave it into his story, and maybe he thought he could get away with altering the details if it was many years before the time he was writing.

Of course, this is the same guy who didn't hesitate to rip OT verses out of context to create bogus "prophecies" for Jesus to fulfil, and who invented the "Night of the Living Dead" zombie incursion (which nobody else considered noteworthy). Arguably the most dishonest of the Gospel authors, hence the one most likely to do this.

FatherMithras · 04-02-2006, 03:41 PM

Well, so much for skeptics being unable to prove the ten wrong. That didn't even look hard.

TomboyMom · 04-02-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Leigh

G'morning!

If the crucifixion did not take place, why was there a worldwide darkness (recorded by the respective powers that were at that time) for a full three hours at the moment of Christ's death? Even in Rome they recorded it, and the records are still available today.

SOMETHING obviously happened - can anyone explain this?

FWIW - Jesse.

Really, that's fascinating. Please state in what historical records or sources this is documented outside the bible. I would be particularly interested in any Chinese record of this worldwide darkness.

scisyhp · 04-02-2006, 08:45 PM

The fact that those things cannot be disproven only helps to assert the fact that jesus does not exist.

Richbee · 04-29-2006, 06:57 PM

Hello again!

I've been having fun with some Heretics and Apostates over on another forum!

How was Easter for the Atheistic nihilists here?

:smile:

Professor Thomas Arnold, former chair of history at Oxford, and author of the famous volumes, History of Rome, was skillfully educated in the study of historical facts.

Professor Arnold, stated,

"I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is PROVED BY BETTER AND FULLER EVIDENCE of every sort, than the great sign which God has given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."

Vorkosigan · 04-29-2006, 07:07 PM

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Professor Thomas Arnold, former chair of history at Oxford, and author of the famous volumes, History of Rome, was skillfully educated in the study of historical facts.

Professor Arnold, stated,

"I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is PROVED BY BETTER AND FULLER EVIDENCE of every sort, than the great sign which God has given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."

ROFL. You must be kidding. Arnold died in 1842, well before modern methodologies came into use, and never finished his history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Arnold

Get someone who actually knows something, Richbee.

Vorkosigan

Spanky · 04-29-2006, 07:46 PM

Heretics and Apostates?

And how was your self-righteous easter?

Toto · 04-30-2006, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richbee

Hello again!

How was Easter for the Atheistic nihilists here?

:smile:

Just fine. Easter is a good time to get together with other atheists and party, while the rest of the country celebrates a pagan holiday.

Quote:

Professor Thomas Arnold, former chair of history at Oxford, and author of the famous volumes, History of Rome, was skillfully educated in the study of historical facts.

Professor Arnold, stated,

"I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is PROVED BY BETTER AND FULLER EVIDENCE of every sort, than the great sign which God has given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."

Do you have an exact cite for that quote?

04-29-2006, 06:57 PM	#207
Richbee Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Falls Church, Virginia Posts: 264	Hello again! I've been having fun with some Heretics and Apostates over on another forum! How was Easter for the Atheistic nihilists here? :smile: Professor Thomas Arnold, former chair of history at Oxford, and author of the famous volumes, History of Rome, was skillfully educated in the study of historical facts. Professor Arnold, stated, "I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is PROVED BY BETTER AND FULLER EVIDENCE of every sort, than the great sign which God has given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."

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04-02-2006, 07:11 AM	#202
jackrabbit Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston Area Posts: 3,813	Since it could not be an eclipse as described, where is the evidence that other civilizations recorded a three-hour darkness? There was not a link in the post that made this claim.

04-02-2006, 03:34 PM	#203
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	I think this is good evidence that the Gospel of Matthew (the only one that mentions the supernatural darkness) was written decades later. A total eclipse in Palestine would have been a very significant event: hardly surprising that "Matthew" would seek to weave it into his story, and maybe he thought he could get away with altering the details if it was many years before the time he was writing. Of course, this is the same guy who didn't hesitate to rip OT verses out of context to create bogus "prophecies" for Jesus to fulfil, and who invented the "Night of the Living Dead" zombie incursion (which nobody else considered noteworthy). Arguably the most dishonest of the Gospel authors, hence the one most likely to do this.

04-02-2006, 03:41 PM	#204
FatherMithras Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 3,890	Well, so much for skeptics being unable to prove the ten wrong. That didn't even look hard.

04-02-2006, 08:45 PM	#206
scisyhp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Goodrich, Mi Posts: 538	The fact that those things cannot be disproven only helps to assert the fact that jesus does not exist.

04-29-2006, 07:46 PM	#209
Spanky Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: US Posts: 1,216	Heretics and Apostates? And how was your self-righteous easter?

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