Chili

Jesus was not a Jew but he wore a Jewish cross on his shoulders that were the sins of his past as Joseph the [upright] Jew.

To say that Jesus was a Jew is to recognize him as sinner under the law while the bible makes it clear that he was set free from the law and slavery to sin. Born under the law is not the same as to live under the law because he did not give birth to himself.

spamandham

I'm interested in more elaboration on these two points, and also your sources, as I've never heard anything like it.

Chili

Jesus was the reborn Joseph now a new creation and no longer a Jew . . . or there would be temples in the new Jerusalem (Rev.21:22).

The cross he carried was his prior nature as Jew; hence the temple ruckuss from the precinct to say that he no longer was a Jew.

Critical here is that religion is abandonned after rebirth which is made very clear in Gal. 5:1-4.

I can go on and on which in the end means that it is not possible for Christians to go to church and if they do they already convict themselves as "final imposters" (Matt.27:64 c) who are well known to be much worse than normal (cold) church goers. We call them born again Christians and they will freely display the "strenght of the wine of God's wrath they drank poured in the cup of his anger (Rev.14:10).

I should clarify that for me the whole thing is no more than a mental journey but is also no less than that.

spamandham

I'm still confused. Joseph who? The Joseph of the OT who was sold into slavery in Egypt by his brothers?

In what sense was a cross a Jewish symbol? I can understand solar origins of the cross symbol, and I can understand the crucifixion origins of the symbol...and I can even understand how crucifixion fits nicely with Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53....but why should we think ancient Jews would find the symbol meaningful?

Chili

Joseph the wily carpenter who was known to make many things in the rout of creation and therefore sinner as such . . . whereforewhich he was bethrothed to the woman there called Mary to meet in the final rout that leads to the convergeance of the twain also called the marriage of true minds in the Beatific Vision for which the Cana event was organized . . . but only in [Catholic] John.

It was a meaningful symbol because "many are the [freeborn] children of the wife deserted- far more than of her who has a husband."

Chili

Except that not Christ but Jesus was crucified to set Christ free, here called bar-abbas or son of the father. We later call him John at the foot of the cross because he was 're-born of old' (the Alpha) and thus to which Jesus (the Omega) had to be added when raised to make him Christ-Jesus first and Jesus-Christ later in Patmos as it is made known in the Revelation where Pure Reason prevails (sic).

Chili

But there is a contradiction in the term "Judean Christian" because one cannot be a Christian and a Jew . . . unless one is reborn from below and thusly a [bastard] brother of the Lord from his mother's womb untimely ripped.

Chili

There are not supposed to be Churches in the New Jerusalem unless one has taken upon himself the yoke slavery and sin a second time (Gal.5:1).

diana

Wasn't that MacDuff with candlestick in the library?

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