aa5874

Once the supposed Jesus was PUBLICLY CRUCIFIED after a PUBLIC TRIAL in the PRESENCE of JEWS and ROMANS then the supposed delusions or hallucinations of "PAUL" would have been irrelevant or would still be deemed to be LIES and BLASPHEMY.

In the Pauline Epistles, "Paul" would have been LYING about Jesus, if he was just a mere man, since the reign of King Aretas.

2Co 11:32 - "Paul" as a Jew and a Pharisee should have known that a CRUCIFIED Jewish man could NOT have saved ALL mankind from Sin and that he had NO Gospel but BLASPHEMY and was to be EXECUTED under Jewish Law.

And further it is NOT even likely that Jesus would have been CRUCIFIED but STONED to death.

angelo

Why the need for a sacrifice in the first place. It harps back to the beginning of civilization and the need to appease the myriad of gods. This alone is proof that the tale is a myth.

TedM

Curious about this--what is the psychology behind using animal/human sacrifice to please the gods? What is the belief about WHY the gods are pleased? Because they like for you to suffer? Because they want you to prove your willingness to please them by giving up something of value to you? Because they literally want the things you have? Because they are bloodthirsty? Something else?

Sorry, is a bit off topic here..

Doug Shaver

For people who believe that there are gods, and that those gods are in certain important respects kind of like themselves, that would seem to be a pretty easy inference to make.

Sheshbazzar

In Judeo Christian mythology it is YHWH that performs the very first 'sacrifice' to provide a 'cover' for the 'sin' of Adam and Eve.
So with the whole 'talking snake' sin-guilt trip, the blood sacrifice's had to go on and on and on.
Jebus became a permanent stand-in replacement sacrifice (for 'Christians' anyway) when the Jewish temple was destroyed.

The Bible writers set up the whole loony system, and effectively blamed it all on the God 'YHWH' by putting their words into 'His' mouth.

angelo

The first mention of the concept of Original Sin is found, not in Genesis, where the fatal event was supposed to happen, but in the fifth chapter of Romans, written by Paul. According to Paul, humanity was cursed because Adam sinned when he ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. As Paul puts it:

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
(Rom. 5:12).

...or as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive
(1 Cor. 15:22).

http://atheism.about.com/od/thebible...alsin.htm?nl=1

mountainman

A Draconian tale with a Draconian moral (Dont f**k with the Romans) for a Draconian age. But not without its infamous detractors ...

“Away!

I do not wish God to appear
to be subject to suffering of outrages,



and on this account I suggest
and fabricate wondrous things indeed
in respect to faith: that God,
when he had made the newly born
and the newly created essence of Christ,
prepared aid for himself,
as it seems indeed to me.


For what you have taken from him,
this you have made less.”

angelo

Many were crucified by the Romans, probably many were named Yeshua as well. As this name was quite common in those days it comes as no surprise.
But there is not one scrap, not an ounce of concrete evidence that it was Jesus the Christ
from extrabibilical sources.
Whatever spin one places on the references by Josephus, Tacitus and other sources, I hold that they were just repeating what was already hearsay or just outright forgeries which were added to and copied by christians in the third and fourth century.

aa5874

Once it was KNOWN that Jesus was ONLY a man then there could have been no Gospel, NO Good News of the resurrection.

In the Gospel stories the supposed disciples thought Jesus was a MAN and were DEVASTATED by his death and when his body was missing.

The supposed disciples even in the Gospel waited until they SAW the RESURRECTED Jesus before they started to preach about the resurrection.

The Gospel stories themselves SHOW that once Jesus was ONLY a man that there would NOT have been any resurrection, there would have been NO Good NEWS.

The short-ending of gMark show EXACTLY what was the likely outcome once Jesus was a MAN.

The disciples and the women visiting the tomb seem Jesus was just a man in gMark.


Mark 16.6-8 If Jesus was KNOWN to be just a Jewish man then there could have been NO Gospel, No Good News of the resurrection.

angelo

Had it not been for Paul and his bump on the scone that he received when hitting the ground or whatever, that's exactly what we would have had: nothing.
Perhaps Zoroastrianism would still be the main religion today. But a religion we would have had for sure because man has a superstition gene built in to his psych. Witness the new age religions built around the UFOs cults. Man is afraid of been alone in this vast universe he finds himself in.