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Old 06-01-2006, 02:59 PM   #1
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Default Third Synod of Carthage - 397

If the Bible is inerrant, then God must have been serious steering the agenda at the 3rd council at carthage where the new testament canon was solidified.
Does anyone know what else was decided at that meeting? The only references I can find are for the decision on the canon. Does anyone still have the minutes for that meeting?
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They "solidified" the holy word of God and you want to know what else they did?

They decided
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Canon 24. Besides the canonical Scriptures, nothing shall be read in church under the name of divine Scriptures. Moreover, the canonical Scriptures are these: [then follows a list of Old Testament books]. The [books of the] New Testament: the Gospels, four books; the Acts of the Apostles, one book; the Epistles of Paul, thirteen; of the same to the Hebrews; one Epistle; of Peter, two; of John, apostle, three; of James, one; of Jude, one; the Revelation of John. Concerning the confirmation of this canon, the transmarine Church [i.e., Rome] shall be consulted. On the anniversaries of martyrs, their acts shall also be read.
So they weren't confident enough of their inspiration to thumb their noses at Rome....
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They "solidified" the holy word of God and you want to know what else they did?

They decided

So they weren't confident enough of their inspiration to thumb their noses at Rome....
In Christian doctrine inspiration happens through consulation, not willy nilly confidence. If God is powerful enough to inspire the right decision on the canon, he's powerful enough to do it through consultation with various churches.

I can see why you would find the inspiration unacceptable, but assuming the premise, why would you find one method of inspiration less acceptable than another?

It's not like one is more irrational than the other. Both are equally irrational.
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It's not like one is more irrational than the other. Both are equally irrational.
Um, thanks for your input. I think you forgot to add that God works in mysterious ways.
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Um, thanks for your input. I think you forgot to add that God works in mysterious ways.
Well, it's odd you would find fault in the fact that the synod consulted with Rome, as if one is rational and one isn't. You're carping.
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What I'd really like to see is some wacky decree that xians today would find primitive, superstitious or seriously roman catholic. It would be interesting to point out that the inspiration that went into what is arguably the 2nd biggest miracle of all time also inspired garbage. Garbage to a xian, that is.
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What I'd really like to see is some wacky decree that xians today would find primitive, superstitious or seriously roman catholic. It would be interesting to point out that the inspiration that went into what is arguably the 2nd biggest miracle of all time also inspired garbage. Garbage to a xian, that is.
I'm not sure any of the other canons from this synod were preserved, also you probably noticed this was just affirming a canon from the synod at Hippo in 393. Your best source for ancient Canons woud be "The Seven Ecumenical Councils" from "Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers", you can find it online at

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/214/index.htm

In it, amongst the other Canons from various councils/synods, are the Canons accepted at the Synod at Carthage in 418, which include many(but not all) of the Canons accepted at previous African Synods(including Hippo 393). Though if all your interested in is whacky ancient Canons, I'm sure this whole work is quite full of them.

for example in just randomly clicking on Canons, I came up with these from the Synod of Laodicea in 364.

Canon XXXVIII.

It is not lawful to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety.

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Canon XXXVI.

They who are of the priesthood, or of the clergy, shall not be magicians, enchanters, mathematicians, or astrologers; nor shall they make what are called amulets, which are chains for their own souls. And those who wear such, we command to be cast out of the Church.
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Nicea 325, Canon I :

1. If anyone in sickness has undergone surgery at the hands of physicians or has been castrated by barbarians, let him remain among the clergy. But if anyone in good health has castrated himself, if he is enrolled among the clergy he should be suspended, and in future no such man should be promoted. But, as it is evident that this refers to those who are responsible for the condition and presume to castrate themselves, so too if any have been made eunuchs by barbarians or by their masters, but have been found worthy, the canon admits such men to the clergy.

Nicea 325, Canon XX :
20. Since there are some who kneel on Sunday and during the season of Pentecost, this holy synod decrees that, so that the same observances may be maintained in every diocese, one should offer one's prayers to the Lord standing.
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