aa5874

It is my observation that whether or not the so-called Church fathers before Eusebius actually existed, the information derived from these fathers are fundamentally erroneous and distorts history.
For example, I consider Justin Martyr to be, fundamentally, a mis-guided believer, but Eusebius, on the other hand, to be a non-believer and a liar.

My main objective is to show that the NT has no real credibilty, that the books it contains do not reflect the true history of the period. It is, in effect, just fiction using the Jews, known historical figures and the name of the God of the Jews to propagate a pack of lies about characters called Jesus, the 12 disciples and Paul.

scotsmanmatt1

I await with interest any evidence you have to present in support of your objective

aa5874

I present to you the first 5 books of the NT. Exhibits 1,2,3,4 and 5, commonly called Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts of the Apostles. These are my evidence of fiction. Do you want to examine the evidence, sir?

Question: When was Jesus born?
Answer from the NT: During the passage of a special Star, Sir.

Question: Ok, when did Jesus die?
Answer from the NT: During a 3-hr darkness of the Sun, Sir.

Question: But when did these events occur, the special Star and the 3-hr darkening of the Sun?
NT: We are not sure, for the special Star, sometime from 6 BCE-6 CE, and for the 3-hr darkness, sometime between 26-36 CE.

Question: Do you realise that astronomers and NASA records cannot account for such a Star or a 3-hr darkening of the Sun.
NT: Those who believe will be saved and those who believe not will be damned. And with God all things are possible.

Well, if you have nothing else to say, I will regard the special Star and the 3-hr darkening of the Sun as fiction.

Newton's Cat

IESOUS CHRISTOS anagrams to OSIRIS SET CHOUS ('CHOUS' means "grave")

cf: The Egyptian myths of Osiris and Set in the underworld.

Further:

SIMWN PETROS anagrams to MORTWS PENIS (Latin, 'Mortuus penis', "dead penis")

cf: There is a variant of the OSIRIS SET myth that has OSIRIS being reassembled by his sister ISIS after being dismembered by SET ... with the exception of his penis.

Whoever started Christianity seems to have been something of a comedian.

Using anagrams for the names of central characters is often used by Sci-fi writers:

cf: Ron Hubbard's XENU ETRAWL ... which anagrams to WE R LUNATEX

scotsmanmatt1

Granting arguendo that these two events are to be regarded as fiction how would your main objective logically follow that:

"My main objective is to show that the NT has no real credibilty, that the books it contains do not reflect the true history of the period. It is, in effect, just fiction using the Jews, known historical figures and the name of the God of the Jews to propagate a pack of lies about characters called Jesus, the 12 disciples and Paul."?

Do you similarly dismiss the Histories of Herodotus because it contains within it myth or fiction?

Casper

Pete? This is right up your alley.

Doug Shaver

Yes, but I didn't know whether you knew the difference.

You have been given plenty of proof that you're wrong. Since you're still asking for proof, I suspected that must be because you don't consider something proof unless it convinces you.

aa5874

Who is this Herodotus? Did he have 12 so-called disciples and an apostle supposedly named "Paul" who it is claimed was converted to Christianity because he was blinded by a bright light?

aa5874

Well, do you consider something proof that does not convince you?

schilling.klaus

Herodot was a propagandist for some politician, exactly like Eusebius, and thus can't be trusted as historiography.

Klaus Schilling