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aa5874 · 02-14-2008, 09:27 PM

I now conclude, without reasonable doubt, that the NT and its main characters, Jesus of Nazareth, son of God and Messiah, the twelve disciples and Paul are all fictitious figures with the sole purpose to distort history and fabricate a false god and religion called Christianity.

These 14 characters were never in Judaea at the time recorded in the NT or any place for that matter as stated in the canon.

The NT, based on my investigation, is just fiction.

Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

Ted Hoffman · 02-14-2008, 10:02 PM

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Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

Make an argument first.

neilgodfrey · 02-14-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

I now conclude, without reasonable doubt, that the NT and its main characters, Jesus of Nazareth, son of God and Messiah, the twelve disciples and Paul are all fictitious figures with the sole purpose to distort history and fabricate a false god and religion called Christianity.

These 14 characters were never in Judaea at the time recorded in the NT or any place for that matter as stated in the canon.

The NT, based on my investigation, is just fiction.

Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

God too, don't forget him.

spamandham · 02-14-2008, 10:16 PM

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Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

"You can't prove a negative" comes to mind. I'm inclined to agree actually (more or less), but you can't really expect people here to take this challenge seriously.

aa5874 · 02-15-2008, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

"You can't prove a negative" comes to mind. I'm inclined to agree actually (more or less), but you can't really expect people here to take this challenge seriously.

Do you mean no-one in the entire universe can provide any credible non-apologetic information that Jesus, the twelve disciples and Paul of the NT actually lived in the 1st century?

And how can producing credible information of supposed actual events be called "proving a negative"?

If these 14 characters of the NT actually lived, there should be some credible evidence or information. I cannot find one single credible non-apologetic source anywhere in the entire universe.

Can any one show me one single piece of credible non-apologetic source that support these NT characters?

I challenge any and every living person in the entire universe to show me information from a credible non-apologetic source that supports these NT characters.

Chili · 02-15-2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

I now conclude, without reasonable doubt, that the NT and its main characters, Jesus of Nazareth, son of God and Messiah, the twelve disciples and Paul are all fictitious figures with the sole purpose to distort history and fabricate a false god and religion called Christianity.

These 14 characters were never in Judaea at the time recorded in the NT or any place for that matter as stated in the canon.

The NT, based on my investigation, is just fiction.

Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

Of course you are wrong.

The twelve disciples were the converted shepherds and they were the eideitic images of Joseph who was a Jew. There is no denying that there were twelve because it takes twelve 'to fly the coupe' and so had there been only eleven Joseph would have been an apostle short and resurrection would have never followed.

Naturally they cannot be in Judea because that is where Judaism ends as the gate to paradise.

mountainman · 02-15-2008, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

I now conclude, without reasonable doubt, that the NT and its main characters, Jesus of Nazareth, son of God and Messiah, the twelve disciples and Paul are all fictitious figures with the sole purpose to distort history and fabricate a false god and religion called Christianity.

These 14 characters were never in Judaea at the time recorded in the NT or any place for that matter as stated in the canon.

Have you examined the "Acts of the Apostles"
in the non canon texts? And if you have not,
why not?

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The NT, based on my investigation, is just fiction.

Very good inspector general aa5874.

Do you have any inklings as yet, or
indeed suspicions, as to
WHO F**ING DUNNIT?

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Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

The hypothesis, that the NT is fiction, is just that.
A hypothesis. If you can find no evidence against
a hypothesis, then the hypothesis seems reasonable
to keep.

But aa5874, this is just the first step upon the Road.
Armed with a hypothesis (which is not immediately
refuteable), the next step is to try and frame a theory
(in the field of ancient history) using it.

OK so we have a Mills and Boon Bible?
So what? Most people agree with you.
I am sure you understand you are not
alone in this.

Who wrote the flaming monstrosity?
Where was it written?
When was it written?
Who sponsored its writing?
Who first published it?

The NT became a politcal reality in the fourth
century, so your theory needs to come up with
a mechanism of answering these, and many other
related questions, by which the Mills and Boon NT
was written in either the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th
centuries. Dead certainty one of these is correct.

Do you understand the position inspector general aa5874?
The New Testament is definitely Mills and Boon genre.
The question is who fabricated the monstrous tale.

Best wishes,

Pete Brown

Clivedurdle · 02-15-2008, 06:08 AM

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Exactly what caused the decline of Rome and her dependencies would require several lectures. Already we saw the first century rebellions in Palestine were an indication of resistance to both the economic and the cultural burden of the Romans. There were two large plagues during the latter half of the 2nd century, and the population of the empire was estimated to have shrunk from 70 million to 50. During the 3rd century there was a rapid succession of emperors, most of whom were done away with, and with Diocletion begins the practice of splitting the power of the emperor among three or four generals, the tetrarchs. Meanwhile the wealthy citizens of the empire were fed up with high taxes and they moved all of their capital to large country estates where they could defend themselves from the city. There is of course an analogy with our own times in the move of the middle classes to the suburbs where they will not be subject to high city taxes, and where they feel better defended against the "anarchy" of the cities.

Other social factors influenced the waning of Roman cities: there were slave revolts and the military became dominated by foreign mercenaries with no loyalty to Rome. And amid this apocalyptic scenario of a collapsing social order, the wide-spread spiritual crisis was addressed by Christianity, Mithraism, and other mystery cults. St. Augustine will write his City of God as an ideal antidote to the city of man that was full of corruption and despair. All of these factors led to the dissipation of Rome's power and the decline of her cities. Probably the single most important factor in the decline was the inability to maintain open borders. Trade, which had given a common purpose to Roman cities was interrupted and without this essential economic factor, the maintenance of the urban fabric and the solidarity of the citizens lost its glue.

What interests us in considering the decline of Rome is the reversal of the ambitious and orderly structure of Hellenistic cities, into adaptive rather than assertive patterns. There may have been as many as 1000 important cities during the prime of the empire that had a municipality dependent on Rome. From the time of the Sack of Alaric to about the year 1000, especially in the western half of the empire, there will be a massive process of deurbanization. Cities shrink into castle compounds, such as Arles which now can house its entire population in the amphitheater and use it for self-defense. North African cities like Timgad will sink into the sand. Constantinople will remain important, having perhaps as many as a half million inhabitants at one point, and the cities in the immediate region of this reduced Roman, now known as Byzantine, empire, will continue at a somewhat reduced capacity, we might recall the improved status of Jerusalem at this point.

Dr. Richard Ingersoll, Rice University: lecture 6 "Cities and History" ARCH 343

aa5874 · 02-15-2008, 06:16 AM

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Do you understand the position inspector general aa5874?
The New Testament is definitely Mills and Boon genre.
The question is who fabricated the monstrous tale.

Best wishes,

Pete Brown

Julian answered the question about 1600 hundred years ago. The authors of the NT fabricated the monstrous lie and the guy using the name "Paul" is one of them.

I challenge any one in the entire universe to contradict me.

spamandham · 02-15-2008, 07:08 AM

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Do you mean no-one in the entire universe can provide any credible non-apologetic information that Jesus, the twelve disciples and Paul of the NT actually lived in the 1st century?

Plenty of people can provide evidence that THEY consider credible. You're challenging others to convince you you're wrong. A truly skeptical approach would have you trying to prove yourself wrong.

02-14-2008, 09:27 PM	#1
aa5874 Contributor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: the fringe of the caribbean Posts: 18,988	Jesus, the twelve and Paul of the NT are fiction. I now conclude, without reasonable doubt, that the NT and its main characters, Jesus of Nazareth, son of God and Messiah, the twelve disciples and Paul are all fictitious figures with the sole purpose to distort history and fabricate a false god and religion called Christianity. These 14 characters were never in Judaea at the time recorded in the NT or any place for that matter as stated in the canon. The NT, based on my investigation, is just fiction. Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

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