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Old 08-27-2008, 08:52 AM   #1
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Default Early church fathers who hated Paul?

This is driving me nuts...I'm certain I've read denigrating comments regarding Paul by various early church fathers...one in particular who called him "The apostle to the gnostics," or something similar. But I don't think this was Irenaeus or Tertullian. Did I dream this? If not, who was it? Thanks!
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Tertullin in Against Marcion book 3 chapter 5 http://www.tertullian.org/anf/anf03/anf03-30.htm refers to Paul as Haereticorum apostolus. translated as the very apostle whom our heretics adopt. This seems more to acknowledge the popularity of Paul among the unorthodox than indicate that Tertullian rejected Paul.

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Somewhere in the pseudo-Clementine literature I seem to recall that there is stuff written by Judaising heretics hostile to Paul? In some sort of letter? (Not sure, haven't time to check, and could be wrong, but I offer it for what it's worth).
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This is driving me nuts...I'm certain I've read denigrating comments regarding Paul by various early church fathers...one in particular who called him "The apostle to the gnostics," or something similar. But I don't think this was Irenaeus or Tertullian. Did I dream this? If not, who was it? Thanks!
Have you had a good read through the apochryphal acts of Paul?

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Somewhere in the pseudo-Clementine literature I seem to recall that there is stuff written by Judaising heretics hostile to Paul? In some sort of letter? (Not sure, haven't time to check, and could be wrong, but I offer it for what it's worth).
In the pseudo-Clementine literature the heretic Simon Magus sometimes represents Paul.
There is a discussion here Simon Magus which may minimize the extent to which attacks on Simon Magus are really attacks on Paul.

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Tertullin in Against Marcion book 3 chapter 5 http://www.tertullian.org/anf/anf03/anf03-30.htm refers to Paul as Haereticorum apostolus. translated as the very apostle whom our heretics adopt. This seems more to acknowledge the popularity of Paul among the unorthodox than indicate that Tertullian rejected Paul.

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Note Haereticorum apostolus. could be translated as "the Apostle of the Heretics"

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The pseudo-Clementines are generally regarded as anti-Paul. They actually attack a character named Simon, but Simon's theology seems to be very close to Paul's, as we read it in the canonical letters of Paul. So scholars have concluded that Simon is a stand-in for Paul.

At least, that's the picture I get from John Dominic Crossan.
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