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wildernesse · 07-24-2004, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by widowvirgin

you make a good point, and i'm not gonna disagree.

but now (not trying to be hardheaded) how does one prove any genocide before that recorded in the bible.

Umm. . .you could try using sources recorded before the Bible. It's not like the Bible is the first recorded source in history.

Magdlyn · 07-24-2004, 09:10 PM

BTW, just b/c genocide is recorded in the Bible does not mean it is accuarate history anyway.

The Jews, whose holy book it is, do not view it as accurate history. So, why should anyone?

jdlongmire · 07-25-2004, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by widowvirgin

a christian, catholic, or any religous person that believes in the bible must accept the fact that god is indeed the creator of genocide, right?

Ok, not to nitpick (but you'll get used to it on this forum)...

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believes in the bible

Define believes in the Bible:

1. As the only rule for faith and practice that records the failings of Man as we tried to create our own salvation through works?

2. As an inerrant document detailing and dictating historic, moral, sociological, etc... absolutes?

3. As an idol that dominates their thinking in such a way that any perceived imperfection would decimate their faith and cause them to become atheists, pagan or some other non-biblically founded denomination?

4. Something other?

wildernesse · 07-25-2004, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlongmire

3. As an idol that dominates their thinking in such a way that any perceived imperfection would decimate their faith and cause them to become atheists, pagan or some other non-biblically founded denomination?

ooh, ooh, can I pick number 3? I think that's my favorite. Does it come with a license to maim and murder if faith is ever lost? I hear the combo is popular.

widowvirgin · 07-25-2004, 07:50 AM

i totally would agree with you that the bible is inaccurate. you know, christs birth and death, god's existence and all that shit.

and of course they would say it's inaccurat. it's in their best interest. plus they never accepted jesus as the "son of god".

widowvirgin · 07-25-2004, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wildernesse

Umm. . .you could try using sources recorded before the Bible. It's not like the Bible is the first recorded source in history.

well if i ever get the chance i'll try to find a recorded event of genocide before god did it.

jdlongmire · 07-25-2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by widowvirgin

well if i ever get the chance i'll try to find a recorded event of genocide before god did it.

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Genocide has been defined as the deliberate killing of people based on their ethnicity, nationality, race, religion, or (sometimes) politics. There is disagreement over whether the term genocide ought to be used for politically-motivated mass murders in general (compare "democide").

The word genocide was coined by Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew, in 1944, from the roots genos (Greek for family, tribe or race) and -cide (Latin for killing). Lemkin campaigned for the international laws defining and forbidding genocide (in the non-political sense), and achieved his goal in 1951.

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Genocide is also called a crime against humanity, though the initial "definition" of that concept; established during the Nuremberg trials, was restricted to acts committed during wartime or directed against the peace and would therefore not have included all acts of genocide. As mentioned above, state-sponsored mass murder is sometimes equated with genocide. Democide has been suggested as a more precise term for this, but it is rarely used. Genocide is a common term referring to deliberate policies promoting mass killing. The term genocide also generally carries an ethnic connotation, though the delineation of ethnic groups is easier to frame as simply 'foreign' to the culprit party.

From wikipedia: Here

God cannot commit a crime. He is above Law.

widowvirgin · 07-26-2004, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlongmire

From wikipedia: Here

God cannot commit a crime. He is above Law.

oh ok, so god's mass killing of people because of their culture or beliefs is not genocide but when people do it, it is. ok, i get it now, thanks so much for clearing that up

i think that we can all agree (religious and non-religious) that according to the bible god did commit genocide, not whether it was right or wrong, but that he did.

Magus55 · 07-26-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by widowvirgin

oh ok, so god's mass killing of people because of their culture or beliefs is not genocide but when people do it, it is. ok, i get it now, thanks so much for clearing that up

God kills people for their sin - its called Judgement. Its perfectly justified for God to judge sin anyway He sees fit.

Veovis · 07-26-2004, 02:34 PM

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God kills people for their sin - its called Judgement.

If your god is so smart and so powerful, why doesn't he find a better way of dealing with sinners than killing them or tossing them into hell?

I mean, he does care about us, right?

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07-24-2004, 09:10 PM	#42
Magdlyn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,230	BTW, just b/c genocide is recorded in the Bible does not mean it is accuarate history anyway. The Jews, whose holy book it is, do not view it as accurate history. So, why should anyone?

07-25-2004, 07:50 AM	#45
widowvirgin Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 34	i totally would agree with you that the bible is inaccurate. you know, christs birth and death, god's existence and all that shit. and of course they would say it's inaccurat. it's in their best interest. plus they never accepted jesus as the "son of god".

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