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Anat · 03-10-2005, 07:01 AM

Improved production of food and other necessities, and at some point also improved hygiene and health care.

Calzaer · 03-10-2005, 07:53 AM

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Either you have two alternative creation stories, or else Adam and Eve were a second, separate creation of a man and a woman after the six days of creation, when there was already a human population outside the region of Eden.

So why were Adam and Eve all special, and why did the non-Eden crowd get cursed along with the Edenites? It's not like the people who lived in Eden's metro area had any control over what happened inside the little gated community... but we're all still being punished for "the fall". I mean, that little event IS what evangelicals use to account for all the human and natural evil in the world.... because otherwise they'd have to admit that an all-loving god, for some reason, created things like human bot flies and harlequin icthyosis.

Eldarion Lathria · 03-10-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzaer

So why were Adam and Eve all special, and why did the non-Eden crowd get cursed along with the Edenites? It's not like the people who lived in Eden's metro area had any control over what happened inside the little gated community... but we're all still being punished for "the fall". I mean, that little event IS what evangelicals use to account for all the human and natural evil in the world.... because otherwise they'd have to admit that an all-loving god, for some reason, created things like human bot flies and harlequin icthyosis.

According to the Church of the Iron Oak, (one of the numerous Wiccan groups), those living outside the garden weren't cursed. They weren't drowned in the flood, aren't subject to the Jewish Law, don't have origninal sin, and don't need Jesus.

The non Edenites are descended from Lucy (presumably the australopithecus afarensis found in Ethiopia, not Adam.

Eldarion Lathria

Calzaer · 03-10-2005, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Eldarion Lathria

According to the Church of the Iron Oak, (one of the numerous Wiccan groups), those living outside the garden weren't cursed. They weren't drowned in the flood, aren't subject to the Jewish Law, don't have origninal sin, and don't need Jesus.

The non Edenites are descended from Lucy (presumably the australopithecus afarensis found in Ethiopia, not Adam.

Eldarion Lathria

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Chili · 03-10-2005, 09:48 AM

Doesn't it mean anything that in Genesis 1 "God said" and in Gen.2 "Lord God formed" while in Gen.3 "like god" was banned from Eden who was never created was called into existence in addition to our image of God?

The words "will be like gods and know"suggests a conscious awareness that is based on the Tree of Knowledge, thereby creating the second identity that is banned from Eden = the division in our own mind that is at enmity with each other (also among the daughters of Lucy).

deltin7 · 03-11-2005, 12:13 AM

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I have a serious question on the topic. And forgive me if this has already been brought up for I haven't had time to read the whole thread (I'm at work, what can I say?!

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My understading of the older version of the story of Adam and Eve is that God created Adam, seemily the only rule he was given was not to eat the "Forbidden Fruit", he roamed the Earth naming the animals and trees and such and was getting very lonely. God saw this and decided to make Adam a mate. So he took a rib from Adam and made Eve. So him and Eve were in Eden checking things out when Eve decided that the "Forbidden Fruit" looked so irresistable that she just couldn't help herself (it had to be the woman didn't it) and not only did she take a bite of the fruit, but talked Adam into it too (that Eve is very convincing isn't she the little vixen). Hence God getting angry and chuncking them out of Eden forever and making them mortal. If my details are inaccurate, please don't hesitate to tell me.

Ok, so after thinking about all of that, If God is all-knowing and he knows everything that's going to happen before it happens, first, why not create Adam a mate in the beginning? Shouldn't he have known Adam would need a mate? Also, why tell them not to eat the "Forbidden Fruit" if he knew they were going to anyway? Knowing all of this, why put them in Eden in the first place? It doesn't make any sense for him to go through all that trouble if he knew they were going to fail anyway. It almost seems like he was setting them up for failure. Am I missing something?

last paragraph, that is so true my next thread is going to be about that.
Im going to ask, Are we God and the Devils palying pawn? :angel: :devil1:

deltin7 · 03-11-2005, 12:19 AM

Believers cliam that God knows whats going to happen before it does.
So does that mean he created us so we can be his and the devils little "life count competition"? :huh: we are surpose to be his loving children

?

:angry:
If he loves us so much why live us in the open, with the devil?

exile · 03-11-2005, 04:58 AM

It's a giant computer game. The Devil's winning 999,000 points to zero at the moment. Expect God to hit the "reset" button any minute now.

Calzaer · 03-11-2005, 07:56 AM

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last paragraph, that is so true my next thread is going to be about that.
Im going to ask, Are we God and the Devils palying pawn? :angel: :devil1:

What's the point of playing if God knows who's gonna win anyway? Just trying to "prove it" to Satan?

Eternally Curious · 03-11-2005, 08:26 AM

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last paragraph, that is so true my next thread is going to be about that.
Im going to ask, Are we God and the Devils palying pawn? :angel: :devil1:

It's a legitimate question that I have not, as of yet, gotten a good answer for. Of course, I guess it's too much to expect Modern-day Christians to know when the even the Bible itself has more than one version of this story. That in it self, to someone with common sense in my opinion, should be enough to make even a devout Chrisitian, at the very least, wonder and question the validity of the story.

You could also apply this line of questioning to Christianity compared with other religions. You would think that a Perfect Being, such as the Christian God, would've taken into account, since He knows everything from then, to now, to the future, that the Earth would have a plethora of other Gods and religions to choose from and instead of giving us a book of broken and often inaccurate history and fictitious stories to be our guide to Him, instead he would've givin us a Manual to the Christian faith with set guide lines and rules to live by in order to be a Christian.

I'm not a genius or anything

but I would think a Perfect Being would've have known all of this and wouldn't have allowed for all the confusion and doubt.

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03-10-2005, 07:01 AM	#61
Anat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: home Posts: 3,715	Improved production of food and other necessities, and at some point also improved hygiene and health care.

03-10-2005, 09:48 AM	#65
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	Doesn't it mean anything that in Genesis 1 "God said" and in Gen.2 "Lord God formed" while in Gen.3 "like god" was banned from Eden who was never created was called into existence in addition to our image of God? The words "will be like gods and know"suggests a conscious awareness that is based on the Tree of Knowledge, thereby creating the second identity that is banned from Eden = the division in our own mind that is at enmity with each other (also among the daughters of Lucy).

03-11-2005, 12:19 AM	#67
deltin7 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: california Posts: 11	Believers cliam that God knows whats going to happen before it does. So does that mean he created us so we can be his and the devils little "life count competition"? :huh: we are surpose to be his loving children ? :angry: If he loves us so much why live us in the open, with the devil?

03-11-2005, 04:58 AM	#68
exile Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 735	It's a giant computer game. The Devil's winning 999,000 points to zero at the moment. Expect God to hit the "reset" button any minute now.

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