JaronK

So, this one comes up a lot. Could we perhaps put together a compilation of every time the bible references homosexuality in any way, perhaps with some discussion of the context and meanings?

Off hand, I know of the "Man shall not lie with another man" bit, the marriage of David and Johnathan, and I think Paul discussed it too. Am I missing any?

JaronK

Toto

Please go to the main page for this forum and put Homosexuality into the "Search" drop down box. Check "titles only." You will find the previous discussions on this issue, with all of the claims of references to homosexuality and discussions of whether or not they are in fact references to homosexuality.

EG, What the NT says about homosexulality


Christianity and Homosexuality

There was also a Formal Debate on a related question:

Peanut Gallery

Formal Debate between Dean Anderson (Pervy) and Bible John on whether the Bible Strongly Condemns Homosexuality

storytime

Whoever wrote the law(?) must have seen the advantages in "be fruitful and multiply" compared to not producing children through a same sex relationship.

steve_bnk

I thought there were three.
1. Leviticus
2. Sodom & Gomorah
3. Paul in Romans

semiopen

Sodom and Gomorah seems mostly against non consensual homosexuality. Leviticus is probably negative but can be interpreted to be less serious than the translations make it appear.

Lesbianism is prohibited by rabbinic law, but not by the Hebrew Bible so far as I know. Not sure why Christians don't like it, general principles maybe.

IamJoseph

Gay is not limted to a moral/ethical issue. It is above all an existential issue: if 20% of humanity becomes gay, humanity will be destroyed in a few generations. Gay also contradicts the law to GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY. In this sense, it is a far more precarious factor than incest, the climate issue or wars - because it nullifies life.

David did not have such an association with Jonathan - these are stated as soul friends. Why would this be condoned and also forrbidden in the same source - accept that it is a wrong reading!

steve_bnk

Is it safe to say that in the practicing Jewish community hiomosexuality is treated as with the Christians?

IamJoseph

No matter. Homosexuality is seen throughout geo-history, and is a syndrome of humanity as a whole. Its forbiddence was introduced in the Hebrew bible - and became a disdained advocation for the same reason - specially with Hellenism and Romanism.

Christianity is in error of contradicting the statute, 'IT IS NOT GOOD FOR MAN TO BE ALONE' & 'GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY' [Genesis] - which refers to the church's celibacy doctrines and its horrible consequences.

IamJoseph

These two cities were destroyed for the crime of 'robbery', which became a tradition and acceptable premise with them. They found it fit to rob other peoples' possessions, peoples and secure them in their fortified cities, which were barred entry to all outsiders. Anyone returning a stolen girl, for example, was nailed on the roofs of the town squares.

Humanity falls apart when robbery is not attended to. The world is in a precarious situation today - because of the robbery of Jerusalem by those who never owned or established the building of this Hebrew city. This applies:

'I SHALL MAKE JERUSALEM AS A BURDEN UNTO THE NATIONS'

This says that Christianity and Islam will fall, as did Babylon and Rome, by the issue of the robbery of another peoples' most sacred city. A host of laws are negated here: NOT TO STEAL; NOT TO COVET; NOT TO BEAR FALSE WITNESS. The flaunting of these laws eventually leads to doctrines of genocide and false beliefs if not checked, culminating in chaos and disaster for humanity.

steve_bnk

I wouldn't call it a syndrome, unless we call religion itself a syndrome as well. I suspect that sexual issues were health based to soem degree. It was likely observed over time that promiscuity cpould lead to very nasty disease, which would be seen as a threat to the tribe or community.

In Leviticus it appears that the priset class was empowered to make jusdgemnts on who was to be kept away from the group based on symtoms, such as leprosy.

In those days 'go forth and multiply' was not just poetic, procreation with healthy offspring was likley critcial to survival. I can see how homsexuality then could be seen as a threat to the community.

I think modern Chritianity should be called Paulism rather than Chritianity after Christ. He seemd to have issues with women for sure.

JC was postive about eunichs. Adultery is bad, cutting your balls off for god is good.