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Plognark · 04-14-2005, 06:21 AM

Bloody hell what a slow-ass site that is. :banghead:

NearNihil Experience · 04-14-2005, 06:24 AM

Reading Doomy is like watching a one armed monkey try to drive 2 ton truck in heavy traffic. No matter the destruction, you just con't help but feel sorry for the monkey. You kow the little guy is trying, but he just can't do it with the tools given to him by nature.

oh yeh, can't pass up this opportunity.

Barefoot Bree · 04-14-2005, 06:31 AM

Let's try this one down in Vork's other favorite forum, PA&SA....

Plognark · 04-14-2005, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NearNihil Experience

Reading Doomy is like watching a one armed monkey try to drive 2 ton truck in heavy traffic. No matter the destruction, you just con't help but feel sorry for the monkey. You kow the little guy is trying, but he just can't do it with the tools given to him by nature.

oh yeh, can't pass up this opportunity.

Hey, someone post this in response to his latest bit of drivel, I want to see the spittle fly out of his mouth:

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Hmm, how simple.

And since argumentum ad Merriam Webster seems to be valid around here, here's the definition of simple i'm using:

4 a : lacking in knowledge or expertise <a simple amateur of the arts>

All morals are subjective. The only reason people invent absolute morals is so they can better justify forcing their views and opinions on those who disagree with them.

It falls to any society to reach a concensus on what acts and what behavior is correct and proper for both the good of that society and the good of its members or citizens. It also falls to that society to teach and enforce those morals.

If you take a second to come up for air and and look around, you'll notice that all earthly societies function in a morally subjective manner. Those who claim moral objectivity usually just want to subjugate and control people with differing views than their own.

Plognark · 04-14-2005, 06:41 AM

Screw it.

You know, if that fucking site is too pokey to send me a friggin confirmation e-mail to register, it's not worth my time.

EverLastingGodStopper · 04-14-2005, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mh8782

A thread was started over at FC.com

"Explain Atheism

For those of you who are atheists please explaine it, how it works, and how it gives us answers to our origin"

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/...5&page=1&pp=20.

I just thought I'd point it out. The site is heavily conservative and anti-atheist, so it might be worth giving it a go

While I won't be joining you in your visits to the other website, I can share a few quotations that I was reminded of while reading this question about atheism:

"Atheism is a lack of belief in god. It doesn't provide any answers, has no explanatory power and won't make you feel better or more secure about your life. It is a lack of belief and nothing more."

"The prefix "a" means lacking. "Theism" is a particular belief (that one or more gods exist). Therefore "atheism" is lacking a particular belief. Atheism is not a belief. An "amoral" person is a person who lacks morals, not a person who believes something pertaining to morals. An "asymmetric" object is an object which lacks symmetry, not an object which believes something pertaining to symmetry." --Sandra Van Maren

"An "ism" is, among other things, a state, quality or characteristic. Atheism is the quality of lacking a belief in a god. If you'd like, we can break it down further. "A" means "without," and "theos," the origin of the "the" in "atheism," is "god". So, "atheism" is "the quality of being without a god." That's not a religion or a philosophy, it's a quality, like baldness, kindness, beauty, or being tall. "Heroism" is another quality or characteristic ending in "ism." There's no religion or philosophy of "heroism," you either are a hero or not."

Writer@Large · 04-14-2005, 08:03 AM

Dr.Doom seems to enjoy "argument by dictionary." Yeesh.

I'd sign on to explain to him how that's a flawed way of doing it, but what would be the point? People like that will only brush off any counterargument they don't like.

At least he chose an appropriate screen name: arrogant, self-absorbed, and absolutely certain he's the superior one. Maybe four of us should sign on as Mr. Fantastic, The Human Torch, The Thing, and the Invisible Woman, and defeat his specious arguments! :rolling:

--W@L

Writer@Large · 04-14-2005, 08:05 AM

Also: what's up with conservative/Repugnatcan websites, and drastic overuse of "patriotic" imagery? That title block is absolutely cheesy ... "Let the eeeaaagglleee soooaaarr!" :rolling:

--W@L

04-14-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by EverLastingGodStopper

While I won't be joining you in your visits to the other website, I can share a few quotations that I was reminded of while reading this question about atheism:

"Atheism is a lack of belief in god. It doesn't provide any answers, has no explanatory power and won't make you feel better or more secure about your life. It is a lack of belief and nothing more."

Disagree. Atheism, and as many written works on its behalf have demonstrated, is not just some empty, valueless thing, void of human attributes of reason, understanding, passion, or sense of dignity and worth -- to oneself as well as for all humankind.

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Originally Posted by What is 'atheism'?

"Atheism may be defined as the mental attitude which unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason and aims at establishing a lifestyle and ethical outlook verifiable by experience and the scientific method, independent of all arbitrary assumptions of authority and creeds." - Madalyn Murray O'Hair

"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness." ~ Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields

"Atheism is the only means of ensuring the happiness of the world, which has been rendered impossible by the wars brought about by theologians." ~ Julien Offray de la Mettrie, French philosopher

"Atheism is the vice of a few intelligent people." ~ Voltaire

"Atheism is a requirement for a complete human being. Religion is a crutch that is shackled to you, one you never really needed in the first place, but were convinced by others that you couldn´t live without. Once you discover it´s only an illusion, that it´s not even a real crutch, you discard it gladly." ~ Brent Yaciw

"The philosophy of Atheism has its root in the earth, in this life; its aim is the emancipation of the human race from all God-heads, be they Judaic, Christian, Mohammedan, Buddhistic, Brahministic, or what not. Mankind has been punished long and heavily for having created its gods; nothing but pain and persecution have been man's lot since gods began. There is but one way out of this blunder: Man must break his fetters which have chained him to the gates of heaven and hell, so that he can begin to fashion out of his reawakened and illumined consciousness a new world upon earth. Only after the triumph of the Atheistic philosophy in the minds and hearts of man will freedom and beauty be real- ized. Beauty as a gift from heaven has proved useless. It will, however, become the essence and impetus of life when man learns to see in the earth the only heaven fit for man. Atheism is already helping to free man from his dependence upon punishment and reward as the heavenly bargain- counter for the poor in spirit. " ~ Emma Goldman

"Atheism is not religion; it is non-religion, the absence of religion. But Atheism is more than non-religion; it is an affirmative stance, a condition of intellectual, personal, and moral freedom. In the same way, health is not just the absence of disease nor peace just the absence of war, but health and peace are positive conditions of strength, of well-being, of ability to live and enjoy your life. So too, Atheism is a psychological and existential condition of strength and well-being and ability to live and enjoy life and use your mind and trust yourself." ~ David Eller

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Originally Posted by Joseph Lewis

Atheism

Atheism is Mental Freedom

Atheism is a vigorous and a courageous philosophy.

It is not afraid to face the problems of life, and it is not afraid to confess that there are problems yet to be solved.

It does not claim that it has solved all the questions of the universe, but it does claim that it has discovered the approach and learned the method of solving them.

It has dedicated itself to a passionate quest for the truth.

It believes that truth for truth's sake is the highest ideal. And that virtue is its own reward.

It believes that love of humanity is a higher ideal than a love of God. We cannot help God, but we can help mankind. "Hands that help are better far than lips that pray." Praying to God is humiliating; worshipping God degrading.

It believes with Ingersoll, when he said: "Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith. Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let me eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge."

Atheism is a self-reliant philosophy.

It makes a man intellectually free. He is thrilled to enthusiasm by his mental emancipation and he faces the universe without fear of ghosts or gods.

It teaches man that unless he devotes his energies and applies himself whole-heartedly to the task he wishes to achieve, the accomplishment will not be made.

It warns him that any reliance upon prayers or "divine" help will prove a bitter disappointment.

To the philosophy of Atheism belongs the credit of robbing Death of its horror and its terror.

If Atheism writes upon the blackboard of the Universe a question mark, it writes it for the purpose of stating that there is a question yet to be answered

Is it not better to place a question mark upon a problem while seeking an answer than to put the label "God" there and consider the matter solved?

Vorkosigan · 04-14-2005, 05:59 PM

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Screw it.

You know, if that fucking site is too pokey to send me a friggin confirmation e-mail to register, it's not worth my time.

They haven't sent one to me either.

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04-14-2005, 06:21 AM	#11
Plognark Contributor Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14,952	Bloody hell what a slow-ass site that is. :banghead:

04-14-2005, 06:24 AM	#12
NearNihil Experience Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Up Shit Creek Posts: 1,810	Reading Doomy is like watching a one armed monkey try to drive 2 ton truck in heavy traffic. No matter the destruction, you just con't help but feel sorry for the monkey. You kow the little guy is trying, but he just can't do it with the tools given to him by nature. oh yeh, can't pass up this opportunity.

04-14-2005, 06:31 AM	#13
Barefoot Bree Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: East of ginger trees Posts: 12,637	Let's try this one down in Vork's other favorite forum, PA&SA....

04-14-2005, 06:41 AM	#15
Plognark Contributor Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14,952	Screw it. You know, if that fucking site is too pokey to send me a friggin confirmation e-mail to register, it's not worth my time.

04-14-2005, 08:03 AM	#17
Writer@Large Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 7,198	Dr.Doom seems to enjoy "argument by dictionary." Yeesh. I'd sign on to explain to him how that's a flawed way of doing it, but what would be the point? People like that will only brush off any counterargument they don't like. At least he chose an appropriate screen name: arrogant, self-absorbed, and absolutely certain he's the superior one. Maybe four of us should sign on as Mr. Fantastic, The Human Torch, The Thing, and the Invisible Woman, and defeat his specious arguments! :rolling: --W@L

04-14-2005, 08:05 AM	#18
Writer@Large Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 7,198	Also: what's up with conservative/Repugnatcan websites, and drastic overuse of "patriotic" imagery? That title block is absolutely cheesy ... "Let the eeeaaagglleee soooaaarr!" :rolling: --W@L

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