David Vestal

Utter bullshit. Your argument that we are co-creators boils down to the fact that we affect our environment, which can also be said of all other creatures, as well as natural phenomena like volcanoes. It's so vague as to be meaningless. Your definition of "creation" as "a product of a rout between a pair of opposites" is similarly content-free, unsupported, and not anything like the recognized definition. Your entire post is gibberish.

Chili

That would be true for those who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground as if it was a volcano with a mind of its own.

We do not affect our environment but respond to it as rational beings with a conscious mind to know the difference between good and evil which is given to us for our good and for the good of others down the road.

I never suggested that we are the only creature trying to survive in a competitive environment which must be subdued by us before we can dominate it.

Starshark

This debate is working out to be more interesting than the moderated debate...

Johnny Skeptic

Which God do you have in mind? Many heterosexuals are not co-creators with God, some who do not choose to have children, and some because they are unable to have children. Is it also your position that that does not speak well for bi-sexuals? Are you not aware that lesbians can bear children, and if necessary could sustain the continuation of the human race? Are you claiming that the only moral and valuable people in society are people who procreate? If you had a teenage son who was considering practicing a homosexual lifestyle, what would you tell him? If you had homosexual urges, and not any heterosexual urges, would you practice homosexuality? Do you have any friends who are homosexuals? Do you avoid people who you know are homosexuals?

Timotheus X

Excellently stated. Although I am an atheist, I wish christians were more like this, and not so fundamental.

Chili

The God of the living, Johnny, by whom life is created ex nihilo to this very day and who's servant we are as man in the image of God. This will be true whether we realize this or not.

It is not mine to tell you to have children or not to have children nor is it mine to say how many children you should have and with whom you should have any or all of these. It would not be good for me, or for you, since you, too, are created in Gods image and that will be true whether you like it or not.

So who am I to judge the essence of God that is yours and yours only to have and to hold until death does you part from that which has been given you right from the start. Not me, that is for sure, but if our ability to have children is not to be counted as one of our own (sic), our willingness to do so is another story for which fathering and mothering are gifts of this same God that seek fulfillment in our response to this call wherein we can be made whole with that which we have been given right from the start. Call it satisfaction, or call it what you wish, but if that is in response to a given, Johnny, to have children is a blessing and not to want any is a curse upon the same God that gave us life -- and that will also be true whether you recognize this or not.

Now don't come back and tell me that I never answered your questions because fathering is a gift for fathers and mothering is a gift for mothers who's qualities are opposite and not to be met in the middle where both will be neutered for good reason to prove that life itself belongs to father God.

The next thing I would say that it is not good enough for us to have children just to sustain the human race, nor is it a good idea to spread our gene pool among the living if we are not able or willing to sustain those that are ours. Such an act would bastardize our children, would it not? and if that is possible it is sufficient proof that we belong . . . as if we are the fruit of a vine, no more but also no less, with a meaning and purpose in life.

wakwak

god made man.
god loves man. (and hates women)
therefor god is a homo

Johnny Skeptic

But which God? Have you ever met him? What is his specific identity, and do you know what he is really like and what he wants you to do with your life? Did he create Hurricane Katrina and cause it to go ashore on the Gulf coast?

A gift from an unknown God who you can't communicate with, right?

Why do you presume to speak for your unknown God? He has never made a public appearance and said "Thou shalt procreate if you are able to procreate, and as long as you can properly take care of your children." Some people do not feel fulfilled by having children, and they have every right not to have children if that is their wish. If some God opposes this, then let him make a public appearance and say so himself.

This is a thread about homosexuality, and yet you completely avoided replying to my comments about homosexuality. Why was that? I said:

Please answer my questions.

SonOfFred

Is anyone surprised that "Bible John" seems to have missed the deadline again?

Evilicious

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Evilicious, I understand the sentiment but please don't take the bait.

DtC, Moderator, BC&H