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Old 03-21-2006, 07:19 AM   #1
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Psalms 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past,
and as a watch in the night.


John Gill shares the rabbinical commentary
along these lines as well.

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These thousand years are the Reign of God that is within each one of us. It is ours to see as if it is one day wherein we look into our own heritage. It is seen in the dark when looking beyond the light of common day which illuminates our faculty of reason. Contemplative thoughs arise from this sea of knowledge that is no longer when the New Heaven and New Earth are ours.
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Not sure if it means that we shall die ON that day but THAT we will die becomes known IN that day.

In other words, until we become rational it is not possible to reason and know that we will die.
Very good point,indeed...
There seems to be a contradiction there...God providing all the elements for reason but not allowing reason...
Maybe God stated it that way in order to provoke our natural curiosity.
Basically God wanted Adam and Eve to become rational, and this was the only way they would do it...
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Very good point,indeed...
There seems to be a contradiction there...God providing all the elements for reason but not allowing reason...
Maybe God stated it that way in order to provoke our natural curiosity.
Basically God wanted Adam and Eve to become rational, and this was the only way they would do it...
It is not a matter of allowing but a matter of consequence. Curiosity is the serpent that functions best in absence of the good (I thought you knew that).

This was the first "dam" (prohibition) that was place before man that made him A-dam and we have been adamizing man ever since.
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It is not a matter of allowing but a matter of consequence. Curiosity is the serpent that functions best in absence of the good (I thought you knew that).

This was the first "dam" (prohibition) that was place before man that made him A-dam and we have been adamizing man ever since.
Chili,
you are going to have to talk to me in plain English, otherwise I won't be able to understand you...I don't think I am asking too much,uh?
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Chili,
you are going to have to talk to me in plain English, otherwise I won't be able to understand you...I don't think I am asking too much,uh?
I've never been able to understand Chili's posts (I'll refrain from making any snide remarks about Alberta).
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Chili,
you are going to have to talk to me in plain English, otherwise I won't be able to understand you...I don't think I am asking too much,uh?
Let me do it again. Here's what you wrote:
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Very good point,indeed...
There seems to be a contradiction there...God providing all the elements for reason but not allowing reason...
Maybe God stated it that way in order to provoke our natural curiosity.
Basically God wanted Adam and Eve to become rational, and this was the only way they would do it...

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It is not a matter of allowing but a matter of consequence. Curiosity is the serpent that functions best in absence of the good (I thought you knew that).

This was the first "dam" (prohibition) that was placed before man that made him A-dam and we have been adamizing man ever since.
So now I would say that it is not a matter of allowing but a matter of consequence. Curiosity functions best in the absence of knowledge.

Before man became rational he was a non-rational being or just the animal man without shame because the faculty of reason is needed to be ashamed.

The first "thou shalt not" provoked the natural curiosity of the [naked] animal man and once he became rational he was no longer naked to wit and now could take a look at himself from the ego that was created by the tree of knowledge in the tree of knowledge as a second identity of man. It is wherein we are hu-man and constitutes the 'fall of man' in the creation of a second identity (if only by means of conjecture) wherein thus only we can die but also know that we will die.

This second ego identity was called Adam as it was created by the light of common day in the conscious mind wherefore it says that their eyes will be opened and can see the difference between good and evil.

Now notice, Thomas, that in the New Heaven and New Earth the light of common day is no longer needed to see, nor is the light of lamps, as once again we are illuminated by the tree of life which is the imago of God that illuminated us before the fall (Rev.22:5).

When I say "we have been adamizing ever since" it means that we have been learning ever since . . . although it must be said that we often have to learn the same thing all over again each generation anew because the imago of man-as-God is retained in our [very own] tree of life while we as humans beings must 'look to see.'

This learning, or adamizing, is how we enrich our tree of life that will illuminate us once again in the New Heaven and New Earth upon our return thence.
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