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Old 09-26-2007, 06:09 PM   #31
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They aren't synonyms.
Wow, you really don't know when to quit while you're behind.
Main Entry: sense
Part of Speech: noun 3
Definition: meaning
Synonyms: acceptation, advantage, bottom line*, burden, core, definition, denotation, drift, gist, good, heart, implication, import, intendment, interpretation, logic, matter, meat*, message, nitty-gritty*, nuance, nub, point, punch line*, purport, purpose, reason, short, significance, significancy, signification, stuff, substance, thrust, understanding, upshot, use, value, worth
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
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The word 'swallow' has either a literal or a metaphoric sense, but only one meaning in use in 'hard to swallow'.
The word "swallow" has either a literal or metaphoric meaning, but only one meaning is used in "hard to swallow".

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The meaning of a word is derived from a dictionary, the sense is derived from context.
The distinction exists only in your mind.

That same site provides dictionary references as well:
sense:

13. the meaning or gist of something: You missed the sense of his statement.

15. the meaning of a word or phrase in a specific context, esp. as isolated in a dictionary or glossary; the semantic element in a word or group of words.
mean:

4. to have as its sense or signification; signify: The word “freedom” means many things to many people.
Emphasis added to aid in your comprehension.

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Crunchy frog is hard to swallow.
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Not as tough as the "spring surprise."
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Recognizing a non-literal meaning is not dependent upon studying the meaning of words?
No, it is not. The same word can be used literally or metaphorically. Take the phrase 'hard to swallow'. That may refer to a large medicinal tablet, or to an unsettling new fact. Word meaning is the same in each case, and the metaphor relies on that very fact.
But without studying the meaning of words, you will never be able to understand either scenario. Nor will you be able to differentiate when the literal usage is intended vs the metaphorical.

In short, your position is bullshit. Again.
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[indent]Main Entry: sense
Part of Speech: noun 3
Definition: meaning
What, then, is the meaning of 'hard to swallow' in the newspaper headline? Does 'swallow' there refer to ingestion or to mental accommodation?
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What, then, is the meaning of 'hard to swallow' in the newspaper headline? Does 'swallow' there refer to ingestion or to mental accommodation?
How are these questions relevant to your failure to comprehend (or refusal to admit) that "sense" and "meaning" are synonyms?

As any reasonably bright sixth grader knows, the meaning of the headline is revealed by understanding the meaning of the article. If the article is about gigantic pills, the meaning of the words is literal. If the article is about something difficult to believe, the meaning is not literal.

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What, then, is the meaning of 'hard to swallow' in the newspaper headline? Does 'swallow' there refer to ingestion or to mental accommodation?
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As any reasonably bright sixth grader knows, the meaning of the headline is revealed by understanding the meaning of the article.
Indeed.
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Figurative sense is not dependent on semantics.
The one sure way to repel any argument is to insist on one's constitutional right to be incoherent.

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Indeed.
So you do recognize your error! I knew you were only pretending to be dense!! I certainly hope you've grown tired of that game but I won't hold my breath.
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