Jeffrey Gibson

Can you tell me what "purely spirtitual" means, especially in relation to "salvific work".

I'd also be interested to hear (a) what you think the aim of, as well as the means of his accomplishing and believers' appropriating, such "work" is and (b) where in the synoptic tradition we find Jesus affirming that his work's aim is what you say it is and teaching that the means of accomplishing and appropriating this work is in line with your (Brunner's?) views on these matters.

Jeffrey

No Robots

Perhaps you should post your questions in the Brunner thread, rather than bogging down this one with a side issue.

Jeffrey Gibson

Perhaps I should not, since the questions are directed at a claim you made on this thread and have to do with your clarifying and explicating what you said here and which you apparently did not think was a side issue when you posted what you posted here.

Do you have answers to these questions or not?

Jeffrey

No Robots

Yes, I do. But I will not sit still for your bullying. You want more on Brunner, you go to the Brunner thread.

Jeffrey Gibson

I don't want anything on Brunner. I want to hear what you mean by "purely sprirtual" etc. and what you see as evidence in the Gospels that backs up your claim about what Jesus' view of his "salvific work" work was and what it entailed.

Jeffrey

No Robots

You mentioned Brunner in your initial response to my comments. And all I have to say on this matter is derived from him. Any further discussion of this matter here takes away from the main discussion about Jewish responses to Christ.

Jeffrey Gibson

One wonders how you would have responded if I hadn't.

OK. But that still doesn't answer any of my questions about what you meant by "purely spiritual" (you must have some idea), let alone why you think, as you apparently do, that the claim about Jesus seeing his "salvific work" as "purely spiritual" is correct. Are you simply taking Brunner's word for it? Have you no reasons of your own for accepting it as true?

Isn't Brunner Jewish.?

Jeffrey

No Robots

No need to wonder; I would have responded in exactly the same way, namely, by saying that further discussion would require a detailed look at the position of Constantin Brunner, and that I have a thread for that specific purpose.

Brunner's position strikes me as true in all respects, and I could never have formulated anything approaching what he presents. I have only an intuitive responsiveness to what I find in this work. Could I have written Beethoven's Ninth Symphony? No. Can I confidently state that it embodies the very idea of greatness? Yes. Likewise with Brunner, I understand and agree with what he says; but I could not have said it.

Brunner is of Jewish background, yes. And I did mention him in my account of positive Jewish responses to Christ. But, out of respect for the o.p., I do not want this thread to become a Brunner thread.

Jeffrey Gibson

I wasn't asking for discussion. I was asking for clarification and for evidence.


But why?

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Again, I wasn't asking you to formulate. I was asking you to explicate.

Great. But intuitive responses to things are not always accurate. How do you check to see if they are?

But what does he -- and you -- say? What does he -- and you-- mean by "purely spiritual"? Do you have any idea at all?

The only one who is making it a Brunner thread is you.

Jeffrey

Toto

There is a separate thread that you may visit to talk about Brunner. This will be closed.