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Peter Kirby · 08-24-2005, 03:21 AM

Of Jesus during the temple incident:

"For a certain fiery and starry [light] radiated from his eyes, and the majesty of divinity shone in his face." (Jerome, commentary on Matthew 21.15)

"In the books of the gospels that the Nazoraeans use it is read that rays issued from his eyes, by which terrified they were put to flight." (the Aurora of Petrus de Riga, century XIII)

Talk about the hysterical Jesus...:Cheeky:

:rolling:

kind thoughts,
Peter Kirby

Aspirin99 · 08-24-2005, 04:26 AM

ahahah no doubt.

richard2 · 08-24-2005, 06:05 PM

That's funny.

Are there any other figures before Jesus who supposedly did something similar?

Chris Weimer · 08-24-2005, 06:07 PM

Zeus?

richard2 · 08-24-2005, 06:20 PM

Ah... really? I'm not familiar with that. Did Zeus do it out of anger also?

Chris Weimer · 08-24-2005, 06:26 PM

Oh wait, are you talking about laserbeams or temple cleansings?

Toto · 08-24-2005, 06:32 PM

Not to open a can of worms:

The "Mithras" Liturgy

Quote:

Now when they take their place, here and there, in order, look in the air and you will see lightning-bolts going down, and lights flashing (695), and the earth shaking, and a god descending, a god immensely great, having a bright appearance youthful, golden-haired, with a white tunic and a golden crown and trousers,[13] and holding in his right hand a golden (700) shoulder of a young bull: this is the Bear[14] which moves and turns heaven around, moving upward and downward in accordance with the hour. Then you will see lightning-bolts leaping from his eyes and stars from his body.

Quote:

The Mithras Liturgy is part of the great magical codex of Paris (Papyrus 574 of the Bibliotheque Nationale). Presumably compiled in the early fourth century C.E., this codex contains a variety of tractates, hymns, recipes, and prescriptions, which were apparently collected for use in the working library of an Egyptian magician. . . .

The Mithras Liturgy received its name and fame from. A. Dieterich. in 1903 Dieterich published his valuable book, Eine MithrasLiturgie, in which he proposed that the text in question contains an official liturgy of the Mithras cult, a Mithraic ritual for the ascent and immortalization of the soul. Although the Mithras Liturgy had been later adopted and somewhat adapted by Egyptian magicians, Dieterich concluded, the text still preserves the highest sacrament in which the Mithraic initiate could participate. However, since the publication of Dieterich's book, F. Cumont, R. Reitzenstein, and others have expressed skepticism concerning the Mithraic origin of the Liturgy. Thus, such scholars have suggested that more significant parallels to the Liturgy can be found in the hermetic writings, or in individualistic and private mysteries, or in Graeco-Egyptian syncretism, magic, and solar piety. Yet the evidence amassed by Dieterich cannot be easily dismissed, for he highlights important echoes of Mithraism in the Mithras Liturgy: particularly striking are the mention of "the great god Helios Mithras" (line 482), the invocation of the elements (lines 487-537), the description of the fire-breathing god Aion (lines 587- 616), and the portraits of Helios (lines 635-637) and the highest God (lines 693-704). Furthermore, the accounts of Celsus (in Origen, Contra Celsum, 6. 21-22) and Porphyry (De antro nympharum, 5-6 etc.) on Mithraism verify the fact that such a liturgy for the soul's ascent as the Mithras Liturgy could be quite compatible with at least some expressions of Mithraism.

richard2 · 08-24-2005, 06:42 PM

I was talking about laserbeams or something similar.

I'd like to know if Zeus did any temple cleansing also, though.

Thanks, Toto...

Chris Weimer · 08-24-2005, 06:59 PM

Dieterich is out of date. Stick with Cumont.

http://neonostalgia.com/forum/index.php?topic=142.0

And Zeus, IIRC, never had laserbeams, but his true form would incinerate anyone too close or looking at it.

Toto · 08-24-2005, 07:22 PM

This may not be a liturgy of Mithra, but evidently there was a tradition in the early third century of a mystery godlike figure with thundebolts shooting out of his eyes.

Where did Jerome get that description of Jesus? Not from the Bible.

08-24-2005, 03:21 AM	#1
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Freakin' Laserbeams! Of Jesus during the temple incident: "For a certain fiery and starry [light] radiated from his eyes, and the majesty of divinity shone in his face." (Jerome, commentary on Matthew 21.15) "In the books of the gospels that the Nazoraeans use it is read that rays issued from his eyes, by which terrified they were put to flight." (the Aurora of Petrus de Riga, century XIII) Talk about the hysterical Jesus...:Cheeky: :rolling: kind thoughts, Peter Kirby

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08-24-2005, 04:26 AM	#2
Aspirin99 Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: TalkingTimeline.com Posts: 151	ahahah no doubt.

08-24-2005, 06:05 PM	#3
richard2 Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Nox Planet Posts: 438	That's funny. Are there any other figures before Jesus who supposedly did something similar?

08-24-2005, 06:07 PM	#4
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Zeus?

08-24-2005, 06:20 PM	#5
richard2 Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Nox Planet Posts: 438	Ah... really? I'm not familiar with that. Did Zeus do it out of anger also?

08-24-2005, 06:26 PM	#6
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Oh wait, are you talking about laserbeams or temple cleansings?

08-24-2005, 06:42 PM	#8
richard2 Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Nox Planet Posts: 438	I was talking about laserbeams or something similar. I'd like to know if Zeus did any temple cleansing also, though. Thanks, Toto...

08-24-2005, 06:59 PM	#9
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Dieterich is out of date. Stick with Cumont. http://neonostalgia.com/forum/index.php?topic=142.0 And Zeus, IIRC, never had laserbeams, but his true form would incinerate anyone too close or looking at it.

08-24-2005, 07:22 PM	#10
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	This may not be a liturgy of Mithra, but evidently there was a tradition in the early third century of a mystery godlike figure with thundebolts shooting out of his eyes. Where did Jerome get that description of Jesus? Not from the Bible.

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