Magus55

I'm speaking from a Christian theological viewpoint, in which humanity does need God. If a deist type god existed, then no you probably wouldn't need them.

Starboy

I don't think you got Mr. Neutron's point. The Christian theological viewpoint is all hypothetical because dying and living to tell about it is not something that any of those theologians has ever done.

Starboy

Mr. Neutron

Yes, and I'm speaking from an atheistic non-theological viewpoint in which there exists no god to need.

blt to go

I guess the question is what does redzrx mean by "sacrifice."

according to the old stand-by dictionary.com

1. To make an offering of; to consecrate or present to a divinity by way of expiation or propitiation, or as a token acknowledgment or thanksgiving; to immolate on the altar of God, in order to atone for sin, to procure favor, or to express thankfulness; as, to sacrifice an ox or a sheep.

2. Hence, to destroy, surrender, or suffer to be lost, for the sake of obtaining something; to give up in favor of a higher or more imperative object or duty; to devote, with loss or suffering.


It would APPEAR that he is refering to the word "sacrifice" as giving something up. Whereas the sacrifice of Christ was in the line of the first definition of above.

Frankly, I am surprised at Dr. X! Rarely would you miss an oppurtunity to point out "human sacrifice" as a human being killed for God.

Are you saying, Dr. X, you now believe that the "sacrifice" of the enemies of Israel in the O.T. was Israel "Giving up something?'

(I KNOW you are not.)

Rymmie1981

I don't wish to speak for anyone else here, but do believe that the sacrifice of enemies was Israel giving something up. You see, Israel gave up valuable slaves that could have gotten a lot of work done.

redzrx

you make a point ..but gods get sacrificed done for them.. they don't do it themselves. Plus the time frame.. what 6-8 hours in regards to infinite lifespan(he's really old I here)..

I don't know .. Just don't compute.

I spoke with a guy who was had studied to be a deacon or something like that and I said that religion belongs in the 1st century(when it was written)(christianity) not the 21st and he agreed.


Mario

redzrx

But they got to keep the young women who have not been with a man .. which must have been 12 and under in those days.

Mario

Doctor X

I see my name is being used in vain. . . .

blt to go:

Not at all! It is just that he ignored all the other posts I have given on the subject of sacrifice that I figured why repeat myself!

Incidentally, one of the references I use, Levenson's The Death and Resurrection of the Beloved Son, discusses how Junior is actually an extension of late Jewish understanding of the sacrifice of Isaac. Not to hijack this into a biblical criticism discussion, but the interpretation arose that Isaac was actually sacrificed. He eventually becomes an embodiment of Israel.

--J.D.

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Magus55
you won't actually know until you're dead

A loving god would have provided us with evidence before we died (being proselytized to doesn't count as evidence).

Soul Invictus

Maybe you might be willing to take me up on a proposal I made in another thread. I might just start one in GRD to get more exposure.. I offer the two assumptions - both of which we can fanagle and dance with until we are in agreement (assuming you find them problematic at their current appearance)

1) God and man are two separate and identifiable entities
2) Although there may be characteristics that may be shared, there are distinct attributes intrinsic to each entity (hence the ability to identify one over the other)

Given 1 and 2, I would like the mutually exclusive properties of both entities.

Have at it...