Amaleq13

Nancy Reagan would be so proud of you.

Doctor X

capnkirk:

Methought that this was made up in that it was a tradition rather than historical. Also, I thought that Nero's accusation/blame of Christians was also a mistakes. I certainly thought that no one knew when/if Paul was executed, but it was sort of "assumed" by church fathers because he does "disappear" from the record. I believe . . . wait, need some "inspiration" . . . that the story comes from an apocryphal "Acts of the Apostles" or something like that.

Sorry to be so specific. . . .

--J.D.

spin

At least we can cut the waffle about crucifixion, can't we?

And WGAF* about Mel's flick?


spin

*Who Gives A Damn

spin

Well, some people can't just say "no", but what does that change? (Besides, who did Nancy ever say "no" to?)


spin

Amaleq13

I'm not detecting a pulse in this thread. Is there a Do Not Resuscitate order? Will the Doctor "call" this one so we can go home? Or do we have to besmirch the reputation of more of Frank Sinatra's girlfriends until a moderator steps in and puts a pillow over its face?

Total Tangent Prevention: The Jewish prohibition against leaving a "hanged" individual overnight only applied to dead peoples, correct? My understanding of the rule is that it was not allowed to leave a Jewish corpse hanging overnight. Was it relevant that nightfall would have brought about the Sabbath or was the prohibition against any night?

Doctor X

Do you think the Romans cared about local custums when they hung people up to dry?

--J.D.

Amaleq13

Probably not and most certainly not Pilate. I was thinking more in terms of possible motivations for the author.

Asha'man

I think any nightfall, not just the Sabbath, was relevant. The tradition was based on Deuteronomy 21:22-23, which simply referred to night. Galatians 3:13 is pretty clearly referring to this law. Which begs the question, why does this law have anything to do with Jesus?

There is a line of speculation that the death of Jesus story started out as a Jewish stoning and hanging, and was later edited to refer to crucifixion.

Several aspects of the story seem to fit Jewish law and custom better than Roman: the Priests finding Jesus guilty of Blasphemy beforehand, Jesus being dead on the same day as his sentencing, and the removal of the body from the tree before nightfall. There is also the odd phrasing of Acts 5:30 (and others) to consider, as well as Jewish writings that point to stoning, not crucifixion.

As the absurd trial scene with Pilate pronouncing Jesus innocent shows, it’s clear that someone wasn’t afraid to edit the story to shift the blame for Jesus’ death. I think an earlier editing was done, transforming the story from stoning to crucifixion, shifting the blame towards the Romans long before it was shifted away.