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Old 02-19-2004, 11:21 PM   #1
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Ok, so I'm watching NBC and they were talking about the Passion movie. Then they went to show some of the special effects. Now I am curious, did people get peirced through the hands when they were crucified? I thought it was the wrist area so that the nail would go between the two bones and that that would hold up the person. I don't know too much on the subject, but I was curious. Also the Bible does say Jesus was peirced through the hands right?
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Ok, so I'm watching NBC and they were talking about the Passion movie. Then they went to show some of the special effects. Now I am curious, did people get peirced through the hands when they were crucified? I thought it was the wrist area so that the nail would go between the two bones and that that would hold up the person. I don't know too much on the subject, but I was curious. Also the Bible does say Jesus was peirced through the hands right?
We have to rely on John. Lk 24:39-40 seems to support Jn, but v40 wasn't in all the earliest texts, giving the impression that it might have migrated there.

Now see Jn 20:20, then the Thomas story, especially 20:27.

Archaeology has uncovered evidence that feet were nailed in the process of crucifixion, but not enough substantive evidence exists beyond that. If a person were nailed through palms or wrists without further support, the weight of the body would pull it off the nails.

The usual conjecture is that the arms were tied onto the crossbeam, assuming that there was a crossbeam. The Greek word translated as "cross", stauros, only talks about a vertical stake, though Jerome a few centuries later regularly translated stauros into Latin as "crux" (cross).


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Alright cool, thanks for the info. I would think it would be impossible for the hands then to support the body? I wonder if anyone has mentioned this yet. The Passion movie that I thought was supposed to be attempting to be historic appeared to show Jesus being peirced through the hands. I guess that would be innacurate then?
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The Passion movie that I thought was supposed to be attempting to be historic appeared to show Jesus being peirced through the hands. I guess that would be innacurate then?
If the movie was truely trying to be historically accurate, then it would have one alternate ending where Jesus was stoned to death and then hung, and then several more alternate endings where Jesus was not even a character in the movie.
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Archaeology has uncovered evidence that feet were nailed in the process of crucifixion, but not enough substantive evidence exists beyond that. If a person were nailed through palms or wrists without further support, the weight of the body would pull it off the nails.
I thought the remains that were found indicated that the victim had been crucified sideways through the ankle. IOW, the feet (ankles) were apparently nailed separately to the sides of the main post. Is that incorrect?
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I thought the remains that were found indicated that the victim had been crucified sideways through the ankle. IOW, the feet (ankles) were apparently nailed separately to the sides of the main post. Is that incorrect?
The usual interpetation of the evidence is that the person was in some way seated on the stake with his legs to one side and the ankles nailed together. Above that it becomes hazardous to guess.


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I can't wait to find out how Judas really died.
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I can't wait to find out how Judas really died.
Gosh, that's easy: in an effort to hang/strangle himself (the Greek verb doesn't make the difference clear), he spilt his guts.


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