stephan huller

If you look at Christianity with new eyes the strangest feature perhaps (aside from the mindless droning of the Nicene Creed each Sunday) is the marking with the 'sign of the cross.' The fact that Church Fathers tell us that this was connected with God's marking of Cain and the markings in blood outside of Hebrew homes in Egypt make clear that the 'sign of the cross' was a tav, the last letter of the Jewish alphabet (22 in ordinal value, 400 in numerical value which equals the 'fullness' of the four hundred year sojourn prophesied to Abraham).

Yet what is the significance of marking with letters? There are clear precedents in early Jewish culture that a single letter also served as a 'sign' for a full word. For instance, the Mishnah says that things marked with the the letter tet are tebel (= subject or set aside for sacred gifts). Similarly it was said that things reserved for the high priest were marked with the letter qof (= qadosh or 'holy'). What was the marking with the letter tav signifying in Christianity, and Cain and the Israelites in the Pentateuch? The obvious answer is tamym (= perfect, unblemished).

Chili

To me it represents the human body with the "Spire" built on the crossroads where the ego is the steeple and the 'little round vacuum' in the bottom nevertheless was the top and so 'down she comes.'

sotto voce

Sundays, pagan; creeds, pagan; Nicaea, pagan. New eyes? Just a reality check.

Sheshbazzar

Hellenistic horse-shit. The world has always swallowed up Greek jingoism, till they reek of it like garlic, nothing goes in unless it is first flavored with Hellenistic jingoism, and nothing comes out without its load of Hellenistic jingoism.
The people become so stupid and insensate that they cannot even think or speak of religion without couching their every thought, sentence, and statement with Greek loan words and Hellenistic jingoism.

You know that the latter church and the Greek and Roman church 'Fathers' perverted and altered the beliefs of the earlier believers.

Yet everyone insensately and unconcernedly remain all too enamored of these old 'Greek' writings, and their Hellenistic jingoism, to back away from their usage, and seek out those words that earlier NON-Greek speaking men held dear, and learn to forcefully put away their life-long love affairs with Hellenistic jingoism.

Until one does, no matter how smart and learned they may become, they will remain locked in their ignorance.

ששבצר העברי

JoeWallack

Scooby Doo:
Rho?

Sarpedon

Since we aren't taking this seriously:

Q: Why was Jesus crucified instead of stoned to death?

A (use gestures): Because it is easier to cross yourself than to beat yourself all over.

stephan huller

But emphasis is always placed on the sign (= siman) of the cross because the physical Cross is unimportant. It's the fact that it corresponded to a symbol, and in this case a letter. See how much earlier the mystic tradition is which underpins Christianity? Those fucking Jews. Always messing with the white man's faith right from the start.

Toto

Sign_of_the_Cross is a gesture that some Christians make outlining a cross on their bodies or foreheads. Church fathers ascribe various symbolism to it.

This page seems to have gone overboard in finding symbolism.

Chili

But the letter is just the symbol and the symbol is not important but the Spire that is built upon it must be deflated and that is what the cross is all about, so we, as individual, can be the centre of the universe, . . . and those Jews will always be my friends

sotto voce

They are invariably people who are misled into thinking that agents of a criminal class can arrogate to themselves the power of the cross to forgive sins. This error puts these duped people into a psychologically dependent relationship with those agents, making them easy prey of extortionate practices of the criminal class.