offa

Jesus survived the crucifixion. The tomb was empty because he walked out without a stretcher. Pilate was paid a ransome. The bones of St. Peter are Jesus' bones. St. Peter was Herod the Great's son by Mariamne II. He was Herodias' first husband and he was 'Doubting Thomas'. Peter died as an old man before St. James was murdered.

spin

You'll remember that I have waived a number of conditions which would normally need to be substantiated before continuing, in order to test other implications of the account of the resurrection.

The gospel material does go out of its way to show that Jesus's body was a real human body, having him eat something after the resurrection and giving us the doubting thomas story, so that we have to accept on face value the reality of the body (which suggests a writing during or after the time of the Docetist split).

So, for our hypothetical purposes, the body was a real human body. It has therefore the usual three dimensions, so that talk of conjectured multidimensional heavens is a fanciful escape hatch for someone who has a conflict between a modern understanding of physics and a literally based belief in religious literature.

If it is a human body that has (miraculously) endured for twenty centuries, how can that happen, given the make-up of human bodies and their inbuilt decay process? (Can a human body be perfect without that perfect decay process built in?)

If it is intact, it is therefore locatable somewhere in this universe. That means that heaven is in this universe and is locatable. Where is it and how did the body get there?


spin

Doctor X

Indeed, YHWH orders the masacre of children and babies.

Junior is born twice, ten years appart.

Exactly. . . .

As for "where did the body go" it seems clear that the Synoptic writers and Jn could not have a corpus delecti. Dead bodies rot 'n stuff. A walking dead body is problematic to write the least.

Mk just has an empty tomb with "That Naked Guy from the Garden" in it to provide symbolic ambiguity.

Frankly, I think the authors never provide a definitive answer because the subject it too problematic.

--J.D.

Kosh

Well put. Notice the evolution of the stance has he attempts to rationalize his position.

Magus, please provide us with the scriptural support for all your assertions.

Calzaer

GL with that.

ceinwyn

So Jesus is...Jeannie?

She certainly could walk through walls, and I defy anyone to say she didn't have a perfect body.

Asha'man

We've had a discussion here before about the ressurected body, but I can't find the thread.

As I recall, Paul talks a bit about how flesh is corrupt, that flesh cannot enter heaven. We must be given new bodies before that can happen, ones that are uncorruptable and pure.

However, at the same time, it's clear that the gospels claim that the ressurected Jesus had a physical body that walked around.

I think the conclusion is clear: we become androids when we are ressurected, made of uncorruptable plastic.

Kosh

I don't know. She had a little too much tush overhang for my tastes. Sure, she looked good in the harem garb, but I don't think she could have pulled it off in a short latex dress!

BTW - has Magus abandoned yet another thread when asked for some simple information? You'd think someone averaging 10.46 posts per day would have made it back here by now....

Calzaer

I'll give you two guesses.

Plebe

See Tomb Of Jesus A Site With Information About The Traditional Tomb of Jesus With Ancient Documents Known to Native Eastern Scholarswhich you might enjoy and will explain alot that those in the East in the area of what was formerly called 'Asia Minor' and surrounding areas have held as true for generations.

What is most interesting is the formal end of permissions for archaeologists to assess the tomb more thoroughly and how the information at this website clears up the meaning of 'the lost sheep of Israel.'