Bright Life

CM,

Try to establish your points with evidence. Saying something is true, just because you say so is not an effective argument. Also, exclamation points do not make a statement any more true, no matter how many you use.

BL

hinduwoman

That was very naughty of you. :wave:

:notworthy

Christ Michael

Something is not true just because I say so. In replying to the original 4 questions, I gave answers and explanations. These are not biblical answers. The evidence you are looking for is your own life if you care to examine it closely. Please use your atheistic logic and disprove anything I said.


Cheers

Classical

How can people not "get it" that we "don't get it?"

I remember very distinctly kneeling at an altar in a baptist church at age ten and repeating the sinner's prayer and thinking "I don't get this."

I grew up with hundreds of questions, kept forcing myself to believe "by faith" then eventually woke up to the fact that it is all absurd nonsense and that is why I never "got it."

The mel gibsons nightmare movie came out and I was reading people in Newsweek say it is the greatest love story ever told, I thought "I don't get it." How could a brutal bloody crucifixion be a love story?

Why would millions of people have a picture of a dead person hanging from a cross as home decor? Again, "I don't get it." Why not just have a little statue of someone slumped over in an electric chair or hanging from a noose?
Crucifixion was a horrible execution that thousand went through including Jesus, supposedly. And people think this demonstrates love? "I don't get it."

Why can't christian wake up? "I don't get it!!" :huh:

spanner365

Taking away religion isn't going to magically solve all the world's problems. Was Nero's cruelty because of ignorance or superstition? Or because he believed in holiness? No.

Bright Life

You may have given "answers and explanations," but insisting I prove your point for you is asinine. "The evidence you are looking for is your own life?" What a bold pronouncement from a total stranger. For all you know, I am a japanese salamander with a propensity for discussion. The point being, my personal life has no bearing on your theory, therefore is an irrelevant source for any conclusive evidence supporting your claim.

I won't be using any of my "atheistic logic" to "disprove anything (you) said." For me to argue with you effectively, you would first have to have a grasp of what constitutes an argument. Your statements thusfar have not demonstrated that skill.

As with all theory, it is the burden of the author to provide acceptable evidence for his/her claim. It would appear from this last response that you are unable to do so, despite the claim that "those point will stand up and defeat any and all challenges !!!!!!!"

If I am wrong, please prove it by providing evidence for your claims.

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I just did yesterday. I noticed you didn't respond.

A common thiest tactic. If you don't like what is said, you pretend it was never spoken.

River

Well, there's an alternative scenario.......



That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

[Holy Qur'an 4:157]

muidiri

South Park said it best: "That's not a movie - it's a snuff film!"

Eric H

Did God have a complete plan for the creation of the universe, did he think ahead? Was Christ’s life on Earth planned before the creation of the universe began?

To search for a deeper meaning, it seems that Christ had to accept his sacrifice before creation could start, so would his sacrifice have been intended for all people?

Would it mean that the Father had a purpose for man so great that creation could not be achieved in any lesser way?

What purpose can be so great, that it would compel God to create the universe and life, knowing that his son would have to die?

Would it be to forgive us our sins?

Or can there be something greater?

Challenge your mind to find a greatest purpose for the creation of the universe and life; by searching for answers to three questions.

1..What greatest thing can God create?

God could create all the stars and planets of the universe; he then becomes God the builder.
God could create a whole variety of life with almost no intelligence like plants; he now becomes God the gardener'
God could create life with more intelligence but if the knowledge and intelligence is limited he has now created the animal kingdom. He now becomes God the farmer.
God could create life in his own image, a life that could understand him. Creating life in his own image is the greatest form of creation open to him. He now becomes God the Father.
Does the greatest thing that God creates, depend on the relationship that he can have with them?

2.. What greatest purpose can God have to create children in his own image?

The greatest reason God can have to create children is love.
Therefore the ultimate God humanity can have is a God who loves in the greatest way.

God willingly loves all of mankind as he loves HIMSELF.

Would this be a love so great, that even God could not love in a greater way?

Can there be any greater reason to create children, even for God?

3..To find a greatest purpose for all God's children.

What greatest purpose could God set for humanity? Would it be for everyone to turn to His kind of religion and pray the way that he stipulates, or would it be to banish poverty, gain intellectual superiority, conquer sickness and death, and subdue the universe or is there more?

If the greatest reason God can have to create mankind, is to love each and everyone of us, as he loves himself, then God could create mankind, with the freedom to return God's love

Each and every member of mankind to be created with the freedom to love God the creator unconditionally.

God willingly loves everyone as he loves himself; we also need this same freedom to love everyone in the same way, so that the truth can be complete for God and mankind.

Each and every member of mankind, to be created with the freedom to love their neighbour; as they love themselves, unconditionally.

Is this how God wants his children to be one? He wants us to love each other as we love ourselves.

When you ask the question; why did Christ say they are the greatest commandment, can it possibly be because God can do nothing greater and man can do nothing greater.

If our greatest purpose for creation is to live by the greatest commandments, then this freedom to love also gives us the choice to do both good and evil.

We can marvel at the great attention to detail that is evident in everything from the tiniest single cell of life and right up to the giant structures of galaxies.

Can you find any greater purpose for all this to exist? Challenge the above statements in your mind in an honest way, test them against any religious beliefs, and test them against any form of logic.

Before creation began did God want to create us in the greatest good way possible and in doing so Christ had to serve man in the greatest way possible.
Presumably God had the power to forgive us our sins without Christ having to die, but without Christ’s resurrection I don’t think I would have the hope or the faith that God loves me and there is a life after death..

It seems that not only was Christ a servant to his disciples, but he is also a servant to my needs through his resurrection.

This is only a collection of words to challenge the mind to think, I cannot make any claims from these words, they are written without any qualifications, authority, or any conscious revelations from God.

peace

Eric