Kingdomovehearts

Okay. here are a couple mistakes.

Read Daniel 3:5 (And Daniel 3:7 for more verification)
says this:

That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:

it has SACKBUT (Definition on dictionary.com: A medieval instrument resembling the trombone.) in the list of all kinds of music. According to bible chronology, Daniel was written between 605-530 B.C. Here's the problem: The first sackbut wasn't invented until the 15th century, 2,000 years after Daniel was supposedly written, HOW CAN THIS BE? For more verification on the invention date of the sackbut, go here:

216.239.57.104/search?q=c...n&ie=UTF-8

www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=66330

Quote:
(from Old French saqueboute: “pull-push”), early trombone, invented in the 15th century, probably in Burgundy.

How? Please explain.

Okay heres another one:

John 3:16 says:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But this contradicts Psalms 2:7 (I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.) and says Jesus was his ONLY begotten son but this verse (Psalms 2:7) says God begot David. Also Proverbs 6:16-19 says he hates 7 deadly sins, "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:"

now heres the problem, is God a hypocrite? Let's see how well God does!


Pride:

Genesis 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

Sounds like some pride to me!

Also read this:

Matthew 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Hmmm God is pleased at Jesus. But isn't Jesus God (John 10:30, wait this contradicts John 14:28 ) so God is pleased with Jesus who is God, so God has self pride in himself.

WRATH:

LMAO did God actually give this on the list? LMAO.

According to the Old testament God was a maniac mass murderer of: innocent children (2 Kings 2:23-24) Innocent animals (genesis 7:21-23) innocent people (Genesis 19:24) and here is some more stuff of 2 samuel 24:1

And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

sounds like wrath to me!

ENVY

From the 10 commandments (Exodus 34:14)

"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God"

sounds like envy to me!

LUST

God impregnating virgins.

Isaiah 3:16
Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

Isaiah3:17
Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD "will discover their secret parts."

hmm? Nuff said.

GLUTTONY

If God wants 6billion people to love and worship him and tell him how great he is, thats just plain gluttonous!

AVARICE

Okay God gets off in this one. Unfortunately the christians (Churchs specifically) ask for offerings all the time.

SLOTH

Genesis 2:2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

God being omnipotent can't rest, he is all powerful. That is just plain laziness!

God is an abomination upon himself! ROTL.

Leviticus 11:13-19 God names things you should have in abomination among the fowls. A fowl is a bird, but at the end, God has a "bat" in the list. A bat is not a bird but is a Mammal...

Matthew 5:22
"Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Jesus said fool a couple of times (Luke 24:25, matthew 23:17, 23:19.) Poor Jesus he might've not made it to heaven. :-(

Leviticus 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

the problem is, name an insect with four feet please.

Deutornomy 34:5 Moses writes about his death and burial LOL.


This is excactly why I do not believe in God. Why put your whole life through a book like that?

Toto

Did you copy this from another bulletin board?


"Sackbut" is in the KJV translation - just a reference to a contemporaneous instrument that the KJV translators knew, but not part of the original text.

the NIV translates Dan 3:7 as: Therefore, as soon as they heard the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp and all kinds of music, . . .

Darby has 7 Therefore at that time when all the peoples heard the sound of the cornet, pipe, lute, sambuca, psaltery. . .

NASB has 5 that at the moment you hear the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery, bagpipe and all kinds of music, . . .

Kingdomovehearts

Kinda. I made another post on this. It is my work though.

http://pub45.ezboard.com/fwastelando...topic&index=25

for my original one..

Quote:

"Sackbut" is in the KJV translation - just a reference to a contemporaneous instrument that the KJV translators knew, but not part of the original text. the NIV translates Dan 3:7 as: Therefore, as soon as they heard the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp and all kinds of music, . . . Darby has 7 Therefore at that time when all the peoples heard the sound of the cornet, pipe, lute, sambuca, psaltery. . . NASB has 5 that at the moment you hear the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery, bagpipe and all kinds of music, . . .

Okay.

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offa

kingdomovehearts, treat GOD as a human (a politician) because he was. He is not a spook. To Catholics the pope is GOD and we know he is human. In atheism spooks are real people. Jesus Christ was a real person. He was crucified, survived it, lived 35 more years, divorced, remarried. Paul was his son-in-law.

Vinnie

The Bible has errors, therefore God does not exist? That is a non-sequitur. Why is the existence of God dependent upon whether or not a collection of books has errors?

Your arguments actually lead to this conclusion "This is exactly why I am not a conservative Christian." They do not lead to a denial of God or Christianity in toto.

Lots of them are quite tenuous anyways. For example:

Since when has it become wrong to look at something one made and think of it as good? Not all pride is bad. Being proud of your children, taking pride in somehting, etc.

Why is that bad? Generally speaking, most people consider cheating on a spouse to be pretty bad. Why would God not want people to worship other false gods?

A surface reading tells me that the passage is not about lust, but about punishment for wickedness.

SOme of your points do stand, however. The one about the maniacal deity of the OT slaughtering everything!

I wouldn't, but Cor 13 is nice

Vinnie

mark9950

EXCUSE ME VINNIE,but bible credibility and Gods omnipotency is based on credibility.

If God wrote the bible than there should be no errors or inconsistantcies,right?

If God is omnipotenet I would assume that he is free from making errors,right?

If that is the case than if there is one error there is no God because man wrote the bible not God,gods,or a god.

Vinnie

Did you break wind?

I'm sorry, I really don't understand that. Can you clarify?

It depends by what you mean by error. If you mean, "if God wrote the Bible then there shouldn't be any moral commands I disagree with" then I will have to disagree with you. However, if it was God's goal to factually report things as precisely as possible from a modern standpoint, then yes we would not expect to see errors or inconsistencies.

What does this have to do with a) the existnce of God in general and b) many forms of Christian thought which do not think God literally wrote the Bible?

Omnipotent? If you define omnipotence in a naive fashion then yes, God can do "all things" including make errors. All things are possible, right?

I reject that brand of omnipotence and I think you meant to say omniscience instead of omnipotence. If God is all-knowing he should not make errors.

This, again, is a non-sequitur. Man could have been inspired by God to write these texts just as a painter is inspired by a mountain to paint it.

If there are errors...strike that. The errors in the Bible do not even come close to refuting the existence of God. All they do is refute the image of God as one "who inspired an inerrant Bible".

Vinnie