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Toto · 02-21-2011, 08:29 PM

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Dying on the cross between two thieves, Jesus Christ suffered in silent agony and ended his life with a tortured cry of despair, says Mark the evangelist.

Dying on the cross between two thieves, Jesus Christ never lost confidence, assuring one of the thieves they were both at the threshold of paradise, says Luke the evangelist.

Jesus was crucified in the morning, according to Mark; in the afternoon, according to John. Two mornings later Mary went to the tomb alone, according to John; no, with others, according to Matthew and Mark. Comparing the four evangelists’ accounts, the stone blocking the tomb was either in place, or not; inside were two angels, or a young man, or no one. One resurrection account mentions a violent earthquake missing in the others.

What to believe?

None of it, because the discrepancies destroy all credibility, according to Bart Ehrman, Scripture scholar, evangelical pastor-turned-agnostic and faculty star who teaches at the University of North Carolina.

No — believe the core consistently maintained through every account: public execution and resurrection from the dead, according to Craig Evans, evangelical Scripture scholar from Nova Scotia’s Acadia Divinity College.

dalehileman · 02-22-2011, 08:20 AM

Technicalities, hair splitting. Why do we so take the Christians to task

They do mean well, poor wretches, while we crossly tear them apart (pun intended)

John Kesler · 02-22-2011, 01:18 PM

Previous post about an Ehrman-Evans debate last April, which includes a link to the debate.

Toto · 02-25-2011, 09:25 AM

Website for the debate

There's also a Facebook page and a Twitter feed,

Roller · 02-25-2011, 09:46 AM

"None of it, because the discrepancies destroy all credibility, according to Bart Ehrman, Scripture scholar, evangelical pastor-turned-agnostic and faculty star who teaches at the University of North Carolina."

Um... I've read practically all of Ehrman's books and I didn't get the impression that "discrepancies destroy all credibility" from him.

Steven Carr · 02-27-2011, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Roller

"None of it, because the discrepancies destroy all credibility, according to Bart Ehrman, Scripture scholar, evangelical pastor-turned-agnostic and faculty star who teaches at the University of North Carolina."

Um... I've read practically all of Ehrman's books and I didn't get the impression that "discrepancies destroy all credibility" from him.

The birth stories have lots and lots of discrepancies, yet historians use them to establish a rough birth date for Jesus.

So even totally fabricated material is used by historians to establish facts about Jesus.

So what can Ehrman be complaining about?

hjalti · 02-27-2011, 02:29 AM

Was Ehrman ever a "pastor"?

aa5874 · 02-27-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

...So even totally fabricated material is used by historians to establish facts about Jesus....

What did you just write?

How can FABRICATED material establish facts about Jesus?

Fabricated material ESTABLISH Fiction or Fabricated "Facts" (LIES).

The NT CANON is a PRISTINE DOCUMENT which SIMPLY CONTAINS the Material that was FABRICATED about Jesus by people of Antiquity for hundreds of years.

The EARLIEST EXTANT CANON is an extremely critical HISTORICAL Marker of the INVENTIONS, FABRICATIONS and EVOLUTION of the Jesus story BELIEVED within the Church at around the 4th century.

Joan of Bark · 02-28-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

...So even totally fabricated material is used by historians to establish facts about Jesus....

What did you just write?

How can FABRICATED material establish facts about Jesus?

Fabricated material ESTABLISH Fiction or Fabricated "Facts" (LIES).

Steven is simply pointing out what historians do. He's not endorsing it.

Steven Carr · 03-01-2011, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Joan of Bark

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Originally Posted by aa5874

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

...So even totally fabricated material is used by historians to establish facts about Jesus....

What did you just write?

How can FABRICATED material establish facts about Jesus?

Fabricated material ESTABLISH Fiction or Fabricated "Facts" (LIES).

Steven is simply pointing out what historians do. He's not endorsing it.

Discrepancies only increase our certainty about what happened.

True Historians know that , for example,Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist, because one of our sources, John's Gospel, does not mention it.

What more evidence do you need of a baptism happening other than a source not mentioning it?

The author was obviously too embarrassed to mention it,and he could not have been embarrassed by something that had never happened. Therefore, it happened.

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02-22-2011, 08:20 AM	#2
dalehileman Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Apple Valley, CA Posts: 3,504	Technicalities, hair splitting. Why do we so take the Christians to task They do mean well, poor wretches, while we crossly tear them apart (pun intended)

02-22-2011, 01:18 PM	#3
John Kesler Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 1,037	Previous post about an Ehrman-Evans debate last April, which includes a link to the debate.

02-25-2011, 09:25 AM	#4
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Website for the debate There's also a Facebook page and a Twitter feed,

02-25-2011, 09:46 AM	#5
Roller Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland Posts: 658	"None of it, because the discrepancies destroy all credibility, according to Bart Ehrman, Scripture scholar, evangelical pastor-turned-agnostic and faculty star who teaches at the University of North Carolina." Um... I've read practically all of Ehrman's books and I didn't get the impression that "discrepancies destroy all credibility" from him.

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hjalti Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Iceland Posts: 761	Was Ehrman ever a "pastor"?

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