rlogan

I had an excellent burrito last week.

But it always brings to mind the years of captivity to the Mexicans.

leonarde

I have no "cause". But I did find out that youses were all wet about there being no ancient Egyptian words in Hebrew......

Cheers!

leonarde

The claim was made that Hebrew only had one or a few Egyptian names, ie proper nouns and no other signs of the influence of the latter language. THAT was mistaken. Too bad you don't have the grace to admit it.......


Cheers!

Doctor X

I am still waiting for archaeological evidence of the Exodus-Conquest.

--J.D.

Marduk

I suppose Moses had an Egyptian name because he was found in a basket and presumably named by the Egyptians, but why the others had Egyptian names I don’t know. Which reminds me I think Messa is an Egyptian word, for crocodile as in to anoint with crocodile fat, the anointed one, Messiah. Sprinkling some oil on a big wig, A Hebrew and Egyptian tradition, like circumcision.

Sauron

No, you are mistaken - about the original claim, and about the meaning of the terms here.

The original statement is as follows:

Where is the Egyptian cultural remains in the Hebrew language? There isn't anything obvious at all -- no trace of those hundreds of years. (The best one can do is point to a few possible Egyptian names in the Hebrew onomasticon.) A student of the history of the English language can easily trace the historical influences on the original Anglo-Saxon base and even say when the influences took place. Hebrew is only barely distinguishable from its Canaanite brother languages.

You embarrassed yourself again, leonarde. You don't know what the word "onomasticon" means. Since you're too lazy, here it is:

An onomasticon is a list of names and terms - not just human names, but words for ordinary items. The original poster admits that there may be a few scattered Egyptian names and terms in Hebrew. That wasn't his complaint. What he was asking for is evidence of influence. - the kind of influence that ought to exist if the Hebrew had ever truly been slaves in Egypt for hundreds of years.

For example, the middle French influence on English is seen in everyday speech, as a result of the Norman invasion of 1066. The French ruled the Anglo-Saxons for several hundred years. And as a result we have about 30% of our English vocabulary comes from middle French. In addition, we use Latin words, prefixes and suffixes now that come to us through the intermediary language of French. That is what influence looks like.

But Hebrew shows no such influence from Egyptian, even though the Hebrews (allegedly) lived under the Egyptian yoke for a similar period of time. Instead of a large chunk of Egyptian words in Hebrew, or grammatical forms changing as a result of mingling with Egyptian, what do we find? Just a few scattered words. Kind of like Arabic words in English - there are a few. But it would be grossly wrong to say that there has been an Arabic influence on the English language.

Grace to admit something? That's rich. Says the man who has yet to admit:

* his mistake about what the original request for proof actually was (i.e., mass graves vs mass corpses);
* erroneous claims he made about ancient Egyptian burial practices, as they relate to the poor and peasant class;
* errors pre-dynastic vs dynastic timeframes in Egypt;
* his confusion about connecting burial practices to the Age of Pyramids, when in reality they aren't connected at all;

And who has yet to provide any citations to support a plague of the firstborn, which must satisfy these five conditions:

a. affected both humans and animals;
b. selectively killed just the firstborn in every family, and no one else;
b. affected peasants, merchants, artisans, military and royalty alike, without respect to status or income ( and remember, that wealth translates to better food, cleaner living conditions, access to medicine, and generally avoiding circumstances and locations that breed epidemics);
d. had effective range all over Egypt at the same time, instead of being isolated to seacoasts, lower Egypt, upper Egypt, Sudan, etc.
e. done all this death and destruction within a very short timeframe;


And who has yet to provide ANY evidence for the following list of ad hoc claims:

* the archaeological explanation that Israelites starting out as Canaanites is compatible with the OT history of Israel, as it is written;
* that "Moses" is an Egyptian name at all;
* that ancient civilizations were so backwards that when it came to plagues and sickness, "they didn't have a clue as to what the cause was, what was going on. "
* when a society (over time) crafts a national mythology, the story of being turned into forced laborers in a foreign country is NOT the typical background that is made up for a nation.

You, leonarde, are the *last* person on earth to be telling someone else that they can't admit something. But you are doing a pretty good job of ducking and dodging questions. Maybe you have a future working for the Bush administration.

Doctor X

. . . or . . . more appropriately . . . the "Gore Administration."

--J.D.

spin

Pathetic.


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spin

More pathos.


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Goobboy, Leonarde!

You think you've found a single word which is from Egyptian. I'm impressed. It's sad that you haven't looked at the Hebrew side of things. First, you'll notice that the same word, $$, is also used for marble (see Canticle 5:15). Perhaps that came from sSr as well. Wait, I know. Your source says that first the word was borrowed for linen and then that became used metaphorically for marble. Hmm.

Anywayz, Yoma 71b indicates that there were different qualities of linen. One that was made from eight threads and another made from six ($$) threads -- get it?

Try again.


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