Toto

Are lead tablets discovered in a remote cave in Jordan the secret writings about the last years of Jesus?

PhilosopherJay

Hi Toto,

Sounds like someone is throwing out some pieces of raw meat to the lions to lead them somewhere.

Every UFO could be the real one that proves the existence of extraterrestrial life.

Maybe we could have the evidence before we have the conjectures for a change.

Warmly,

Philosopher Jay

Steve Weiss

A library full of documents would not validate the claims for a biblical Jesus. The stories of the bible are fiction, pure and simple.

No Robots

As usual, the goyim, including the mythicists, are all hot and bothered about the possibility of a Christian connection to what are most likely Jewish artefacts. For a more sober look at the find, see here.

Toto

Lemaire may be a little gun shy, having endorsed the James Ossuary.

stephan huller

It is obvious that no one knows WTF is written here otherwise you wouldn't have a Jewish source connecting them with Bar Kochba and Christian ones with Jesus. I bet it's a picture book, an ancient precursor to the Cat in the Hat.

Toto

Both Bar Kochba and Jesus were "messiahs" in somebody's view, so that might be an understandable confusion.

I'm intrigued by the "code" - how would they go about deciphering it?

stephan huller

And how much information could you get on to a lead sheet the size of a credit card? There must be something which connects it with the early second century. I just think the line about “the lost years of Jesus” was pulled out of someone`s imagination

DCHindley

It was probably some sort of "atbash" cypher (the hebrew alphabet in reverse). Some of the DSS were also in such code. If these were magical texts, it might explain why some of them appear to be making no sense.

Lamellas (thin sheets of metal) were often used to write magical formulae. Generally, to cast a spell, the magician has to procure or have available certain materials, and say or write the incantation in certain specified ways.

If you wish to give your enemy trouble sleeping, take the head of a black dog that never saw light during its days and take a lamella from a strip of lead (pipe) from an aquaduct, and write upon it (the names of) these angels [who stand on the fourth step of the 2nd firmament]

ŞGRY'L	MLKY'L	'WNBYB	PGRY'L
cNNY'L	KLNMYY'	'WMY'L	MPNWR
KWZZYB'	'LPY'L	PRYBY'L	ŞcQMYH
KDWMY'L	'ŜMDc	HWDYH	YҢZY'L

and say thus:

I hand over to you, angels of disquiet who stand upon the fourth step, the life and the soul and the spirit of N son of N so that you may tie him in chains of iron and bind him to a bronze yoke. Do not give sleep, nor slumber, nor drowsiness to his eyelids; let him weep and cry like a woman at childbirth, and do not permit any (other) man to release him (from this spell).

Write thus (as above) and put (the inscribed lead lamella) in the mouth of the dog's head and put wax in its mouth, and seal (it) with a ring which has a lion (engraved) upon it. Then go and conceal it behind his house or in a place he frequents.

This is an incantation from the Sepher ha Razim, a text containing spells in pure midrashic Hebrew, plus some magical praxis in Greek, and some weird characters usually called "alphabet of the magi" in medieval magical manuscripts, and generally dated to late 3rd or early 4th century CE.

DCH

Cege

I read the two links but don't see the connection to "Christian texts". Is it because the text may be about 2000 years old that it might connect to Christian/Jesus experiences?