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Old 06-02-2008, 09:16 AM   #101
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This is confusing.

Jews are of the house of Israel.
You are indeed confused, the Jews are the House of Judah ... the House of Israel were never Jews ,and follow pagan gods, not Judaism.




But he does :-

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah:



But Jesus says that he is sent only to the House of Israel



Paul is indeed the apostle to the gentiles, but the other apostles are sent to the House of Israel scattered AMONGST the gentiles



God's mercy endures 'for ever' , so it does not end at the 'great throne' judgment ... so that is not the final judgment [and scripture nowhere says it will be]



Only the few travel the narrow way, but many are saved [Rev 7:9-10] , thus those who go by the broad way can be saved in the new earth, Jesus says so ...

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No, it is reproof... discussion of what scripture actually says ...

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



The so-called lost tribes did not fall into idol worship until the splitting of the Iraelite kingdoms. Before this they were followers of the Law of Moses just as the Jews...pagan worship is not their original religion the Law of Moses is. The Ark of God was at first planted in their terriotory until King David moved it to Jerusalem.



Here is what Jesus said: "These twelves Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying 'GO NOT INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES, AND INTO ANY CITY OF SAMARITANS ENTER YOU NOT: BUT RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL." Jesus clearly told the diciples not to go to the Gentiles (so much for the "Jesus sent the twelve to search for the lost tribes among the Gentiles") because the Gospel must be preached to the Jews first. Also in the bible there is nothing about "lost tribes" He said lost sheep of the house of Israel which is a reference to being lost concerning the Truth.



And oh yes the Jews considered themselves to be of the house of Israel:

"Bretheren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for ISRAEL is that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of GOD, but not according to knoweledge." Paul here is referring to the Jews.


"Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the Law, a Pharisee." Paul shows that he is an Israelite as well as a Jew...only Jews were Pharisees


"For I could wish that myself were ccursed from Christ for my bretheren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: WHO ARE ISRAELITES; TO WHOM PERTAINETH THE ADOPTION, AND THE GLORY, AND THE COVENANTS, AND THE GIVING OF THE LAW, AND THE SERVICE OF GOD, AND THE PROMISES; WHOSE ARE THE FATHERS, AND OF WHOM AS CONCERNING THE FLESH CHRIST CAME...." (SO MUCH FOR THAT ERROR THAT THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL WERE ORIGINALLY "PAGAN WORSHIPPERS").



We all know that Paul was a Jew but he also considered himself an Israelite.


"For I also am an ISRAELITE, OF THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, OF THE TRIBE OF BENJAMIN."



And the fact that these "Jews" called their kingdom Israel should put to rest any arguement that the Israelites and Jews are a seperate people because God does not see them that way.


When the prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel prophesied against the Judite kingdom he often addressed them as this: "Son of man, go, get thee unto HOUSE OF ISRAEL..." (Ezekiel went to the Jews). "Hear ye the word which the Lord speak unto you, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL...." (Jeremiah went to the JEWS) The Jews are clearly also called "The House of Israel" When Jesus said that He was sent unto the House of Israel He was speaking of the Jews.



There is no such thing as "Lost tribes" in the bible.
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1Kings 11:31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David’s sake, and for Jerusalem’s sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel
33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.
34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant’s sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son’s hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other;and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
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1Kings 11:31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David’s sake, and for Jerusalem’s sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel
33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.
34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant’s sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son’s hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other;and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
And...what is your point now? The splitting up of the kingdoms did not make either of the tribes to be none israelites. As already showed you when the Prophets prophesied against the Jews they were called the House of Israel.



Also the prediction of dispersion happen to ALL the tribes including Judah.



You have been disproved. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...the Jews. He told the diciples not go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans because the Gospel must be preached to the "Jews first and then the Greeks (I.e. Gentiles).


Most Jews cannot trace which tribe they are from including those of Judah.
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1Kings 11:31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David’s sake, and for Jerusalem’s sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel
33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.
34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant’s sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son’s hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other;and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
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And...what is your point now? The splitting up of the kingdoms did not make either of the tribes to be none israelites. As already showed you when the Prophets prophesied against the Jews they were called the House of Israel.
The Jews hated the House of Israel because of paganism, Jews have never accepted that title and are distinguished by Judaism being their religion

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Also the prediction of dispersion happen to ALL the tribes including Judah.
Both Houses were dispersed, but at different times .
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You have been disproved. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...the Jews. He told the disciples not go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans because the Gospel must be preached to the "Jews first and then the Greeks (I.e. Gentiles).
You have confused the House of Judah [Jews, keeping Judaism] with the House of Israel [paganised , worshiping idols]
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