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Old 03-23-2006, 11:47 AM   #1
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For anyone who knows French.... Is my English rendition accurate? What needs to be changed?

From Pierre Nautin, Hippolyte Contre les Hérésies, Fragment, page 15 (first two paragraphs of the main text):
La première liste que nous possédons des ouvrages d'Hippolyte, celle qu'Eusèbe nous a laissée dans son Histoire ecclésiastique, porte un ∏ρος απασας τας αιρεσεις [1].

Saint Jérôme a inséré dans son De viris inlustribus la liste d'Eusèbe et nous retrouvons chez lui un Adversus omnes haereses [2]. Nicéphore Calliste, qui traduit en grec la liste de Jérôme, indique le même ouvrage sous le nom de ∏ρος πασας τας αιρεσεις [3]. Georges le Syncelle mentionne un titre un peu différent: ∏ρος Μαρκιωνα και τας λοιπας αιρεσεις [4], mais il n'a pas d'autre source qu'Eusèbe: il a réuni arbitrairement deux titres qui sont distingués dans l'Histoire ecclésiastique, le ∏ρος Μαρκιωνα et le ∏ρος απασας τας αιρεσεις. Ces trois témoignages n'ajoutent donc rien ê celui d'Eusèbe, dont ils dépendent.

[1] Eusèbe, Hist. VI, 22 (II, 219).
[2] Jérome, Vir. in. 61 (35, 26).
[3] Nicéphore Calliste, Ecclesiastica historia, IV, 31, P[atrologiae cursus completus, series] G[raeca], CXLI, 1052.
[4] Georges le Syncelle, Chronographia, éd. G. Dindorf, (C[orpus] S[criptorum] H[istoriae] B[yzantinae]), vol. I, Bonn, 1829, p. 674.
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The first list which we possess of the works of Hippolytus, that which Eusebius has left us in his Ecclesiastical History, has a certain Against All the Heresies.

Saint Jerome has inserted the list of Eusebius into his On Famous Men, and we find there one Against All Heresies. Nicephorus Callistus, who translated into Greek the list of Jerome, indicates the same work under the name Against All the Heresies. George Syncellus mentions a slightly different title: Against Marcion and the Rest of the Heresies, but he has nothing from any source other than Eusebius; he has arbitrarily joined together two titles which are distinguished in the Ecclesiastical History, the one being Against Marcion, the other Against All the Heresies. These three witnesses add nothing, then, to that of Eusebius, upon whom they depend.
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Looks fine to me except for where you translate

le ∏ρος Μαρκιωνα et le ∏ρος απασας τας αιρεσεις

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the one being Against Marcion, the other Against All the Heresies

Your translation reads much clearer but it is not entirely accurate. Looks good but, of course, my French is not what it once was.

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Sounds good to me. Possibly "mais il n'a pas d'autre source qu'Eusèbe" could be "but he has no other source than Eusebius" but that's a detail.
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Looks fine to me except for where you translate

le ∏ρος Μαρκιωνα et le ∏ρος απασας τας αιρεσεις

to read

the one being Against Marcion, the other Against All the Heresies

Your translation reads much clearer but it is not entirely accurate. Looks good but, of course, my French is not what it once was.
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Sounds good to me. Possibly "mais il n'a pas d'autre source qu'Eusèbe" could be "but he has no other source than Eusebius" but that's a detail.
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For anyone who knows French.... Is my English rendition accurate?
It's fine, and I saw no errors.

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