VonEvilstein

Magus55, do you then also believe that bats are birds, rather than mammals? And my apologies in advance if you've been asked this a hundred times before...

Warcraft3

Yes you are correct of course. It was a sarcastic jab and I did recognize it as one....which is why I responded sarcastically.....but sometimes sarcastic jabs can be used as arguments (whether they are good ones or not) and given a certain measure of validity. It was used as an argument to a certain degree....even a sarcastic jab is a type of argument.

Well I certainly dont agree that evolution is the cause of society's problems. As far as the jab being "deserved" I must say some people here are far to quick to throw jabs.

Okay.......this is a load of pure garbage. After your statement about the red-herrigns anti-evolutionists make you then proceed to do the very thing yourself!!!

"Little or no success in combating societal ills" How in the world can you make such a statement? In the real world there are plenty of people who would disagree with you. There are millions of personal testimonies out there from people who have successfully combated the ills of society with the help of the church. Geez---just look at recovery programs for crying out loud---many of them use religion as part of recovery and they have a pretty good success rate. So "little" or "no success" is simply not true.

Im not gonna sling justifications for chips back and forth. I could say I have a reason for a chip on my shoulder. Heck ANYONE could say that and give reasons. But I dont have a chip and I dont think you should either.

Contribute? Its a poll on when you accepted evolution...I took the poll and commented. How else do I contribute to such a thread?

Critical of sarcasm? Have you read my posts in this thread? I believe I said "I do love sarcasm" so where in the world are you getting this "critical of sarcasm" idea from? I responded to a sarcastic jab with a sarcastic post...so it isnt sarcasm Im critical of.

Im critical of people who are arrogant or use bad arguments. Im critical of people who dont hear you out or are hypocrites. Im critical of people who refuse to see the obvious implications in one post and then miraculously can see it in another post. Im critical of people who always stick up for people on their side of an issue, even if that person is wrong. Im critical of people who engage in pointless back-slapping sessions and pointlessly insult people.

Well, my personal position is that faith never trumps reality and reality never trumps faith because they are not exclusive to each other.

Faith is something that is built upon a foundation evidence, providing one with a reason to believe. Faith without fact is just as dead as faith without works.



Russ

Senlatheil

My only hope is that Magus never votes. :banghead:

Warcraft3

Am I a creationist? Yes and no. I believe in evolution in general, but I also believe God used it as a mechanism. Im still not sure exactly how much I think evolution is capable of doing on its own...and I like some of the ID stuff I see.

So am I a YEC? No.


Russ
...not quite ID or Theistic evolutionist or creationist, but something somewhere in the midst of all three...

EGGO

Sure, I'm positive a simple verse from that book that's been proven with so many fallacies will sure get us to see the light.

By the way...is that the only reason why you're clinging?

Mathetes

Good for you.

I understand then that you believe that the Universe is billions of years old, because the evidence says so. God may or may not have directed it, but I will not go there.

So what do you think of Magus' position? He is defending, I think, that if the evidence says one thing and God another you have to choose God. In his understanding, you are guilty of taking man's word over God's.

Not trying to tease here or anything. Just curious.

Magus55

Equality, compassion? Are you kidding? You treat those who disagree with you like crap. You're a hypocrite.

Magus55

I'm aware that I could be wrong, and I would have no problem with that. But I trust the Bible as God's word, and its incompatible with a 12 billion year old universe, and 4 billion year old earth. When I stand before God, i'd rather Him say I was foolish for trusting His Word and putting all my faith in Him instead of humans, as oppose to Him saying I was foolish for trusting Man, and not Him.

On the same note, why do so few atheists accept that they could be wrong? You state there are no certainties, does that mean you accept that the Judeo-Christian God could exist, and Genesis could be the literal account of creation? Or do you know for a fact that Genesis is wrong and God doesn't exist?

Heathen Dawn

You believe those who disagree with God get to burn in hell for eternity. You and the likes of you deserve to be treated like crap. As Biff the unclean said, you are a traitor to humanity.

Heathen Dawn

So it does. But you forget that evidence takes precedences over mere writings to the contrary. If the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old and science says it's 4.6 billion years old, then science is right and the Bible is wrong!



So that's what keeping you in the YEC fold: fear of the invisible bogeyman. Courageous fellow you are!

It is a certainty that the earth is much more than 6000 years old. That's what the evidence says. It's not an interpretation, it's what the facts say. It's you YECs who misinterpret the evidence according to their Biblical-literalist blinders. As for God, I won't go into that debate now. You can keep God if you like, as all theistic evolutionists do; but to fight against scientific fact is the way of a blind fanatic.