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Old 08-09-2009, 04:03 PM   #451
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You said that it was stated in the Quran, and (as usual) you have completely failed to produce any evidence that what you said was true.
4:47 appears to be a threat to twist the heads off of those whom the Scriptures were given. (I assume that is the Jews.)

I beleive 8:12-13 was delivered in the context of killing the Medinan Jews, but I am not 100% on that.

However, the Jews, Christians, and polytheists were all killing each other before the Muslims arrived - nothing new.
ITS A BLESSING TO KILL THE JEWS - ONE IS HIDING UNDER THIS ROCK.


The notion everyone commits mass murder is nonesense and typical Arabesque lingo. The time factor is relevant. Today, Islam remains the world's most heinous mass murderer - no comparisons applicable. Islam is emulating medevial Europe - and Europe does a turn cheek out of abject guilt. Both want to wipe off the witness for the prosecution, instead of examining themselves honestly.
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4:47 appears to be a threat to twist the heads off of those whom the Scriptures were given. (I assume that is the Jews.)

I beleive 8:12-13 was delivered in the context of killing the Medinan Jews, but I am not 100% on that.

However, the Jews, Christians, and polytheists were all killing each other before the Muslims arrived - nothing new.
ITS A BLESSING TO KILL THE JEWS - ONE IS HIDING UNDER THIS ROCK.


The notion everyone commits mass murder is nonesense and typical Arabesque lingo. The time factor is relevant. Today, Islam remains the world's most heinous mass murderer - no comparisons applicable. Islam is emulating medevial Europe - and Europe does a turn cheek out of abject guilt. Both want to wipe off the witness for the prosecution, instead of examining themselves honestly.
Today, the world's most heinous mass murderer is Kim Jong-il.
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ITS A BLESSING TO KILL THE JEWS - ONE IS HIDING UNDER THIS ROCK.

The notion everyone commits mass murder is nonesense and typical Arabesque lingo. The time factor is relevant. Today, Islam remains the world's most heinous mass murderer - no comparisons applicable. Islam is emulating medevial Europe - and Europe does a turn cheek out of abject guilt. Both want to wipe off the witness for the prosecution, instead of examining themselves honestly.
You just hate Islam because it is inimical to Christianity. It isn't all that great a mass murderer. Yes, they are anti-semitic and patronizing or inimical to all other religions. They are generally down on women to some extent as well. But I'm not sure they are the biggest mass murderers of all time. Yes, we hate some medieval Muslims in India like Mahmud of Ghazni who were responsible for creating the Roma diaspora. There were some good Muslims like Akbar who wrested control from the Ulema. Islam is also down on religious minorities (especially heretical Muslims) and homosexuals. So it is quite bad, though perhaps not the current worst.
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ITS A BLESSING TO KILL THE JEWS - ONE IS HIDING UNDER THIS ROCK.

The notion everyone commits mass murder is nonesense and typical Arabesque lingo. The time factor is relevant. Today, Islam remains the world's most heinous mass murderer - no comparisons applicable. Islam is emulating medevial Europe - and Europe does a turn cheek out of abject guilt. Both want to wipe off the witness for the prosecution, instead of examining themselves honestly.
You just hate Islam because it is inimical to Christianity.
You must be thinking of somebody else. IamJoseph does not hate Islam because it is inimical to Christianity. IamJoseph is inimical to Christianity.
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You just hate Islam because it is inimical to Christianity.
You must be thinking of somebody else. IamJoseph does not hate Islam because it is inimical to Christianity. IamJoseph is inimical to Christianity.
No sir - christianity does all the inimicalities - please check history. Let history be the marker, as opposed to anyone's POV. No one cares who or what a belief system believes in - as long as it does not also call for the unconditional death of another. Subtle point.
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So it is quite bad, though perhaps not the current worst.
Your honesty is respected, but I do think before Islam, European Christianity took 1ts prize; today Islam gets this honor. And 'perhaps' does not apply with any of them.
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So it is quite bad, though perhaps not the current worst.
Your honesty is respected, but I do think before Islam, European Christianity took 1ts prize; today Islam gets this honor. And 'perhaps' does not apply with any of them.
humans = atrocities. when Europe was christian, more humans were committing attrocities as christians. when middles east was Christian and Jewish, attrocities were of christians and Jews. Since it is Muslim, attrocities are from Muslims.

Your quest for the worst humans is pointless. the worse ones are the ones that are in power at the time you are measuring.
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If I suggested someone changed the book of Han since it was originally written, what means would you have to prove I was wrong.
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Sounds reasonable.

To answer your question now: There is only one way I could prove you wrong. I'd have to produce the autograph copy of the book of Han. Absent that, any evidence of changes would probably justify your belief that the book had been changed.
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If I suggested someone changed the book of Han since it was originally written, what means would you have to prove I was wrong.

Sounds reasonable.

To answer your question now: There is only one way I could prove you wrong. I'd have to produce the autograph copy of the book of Han. Absent that, any evidence of changes would probably justify your belief that the book had been changed.
The book of Han was put forwarded as a point of fact, you are answering rhetorically.
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You said that it was stated in the Quran, and (as usual) you have completely failed to produce any evidence that what you said was true.
4:47 appears to be a threat to twist the heads off of those whom the Scriptures were given. (I assume that is the Jews.)

I beleive 8:12-13 was delivered in the context of killing the Medinan Jews, but I am not 100% on that.
My view: 4:47 says, using an idiom that's hard to translate, that the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) will be humiliated (or "lose face") if they prove unworthy. No physical violence seems to be mentioned.

8:12-13 refers to the preparations before the battle of Badr, which was fought against fellow Arabs, the "heathens" in Mecca. These verses are often assumed to mean a command to get out and kill just about everyone, but they rather are specific advice on how to fight during precisely that one battle.
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