AdamsonLittle

Blackhole Lies in Human History--

There Was Never Any Biblical Jerusalem Ever in Palestine-Never Since The Creation of This Planet. However, it can be anywhere else.

This Place was called Aelia when Muslims took it in 7th century AD

All historical records from time immamorial to the begining of crusades called it Aelia. This small town was not considered important by Byzatine Constantinople or other big surrounding Roman cities for sending troops to help Aelia against Muslims. There was no shred of evidence that christians in surrounding areas or in ANY PART OF THE WORLD ever protested later for hundreds of years against unholy occupation by Muslims of their Holy Land . No church sermon mentioned that some fake Holy Place of a Mythical Christ has come under pagan occupation.

Visitors from Palestine to Europe Did not Report Any Jerusalem Till 1074 AD, Why?

Yes even for inciting people at the beginining of crusades Jerusalem was not mentioned?
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/g7...
Gregory VII: Called for a "Crusade", in 1074 long before the first cusade but did not mention Jerusalem, Why?

The crying need for crusades was only:
" that a pagan race(Muslims) had overcome the Christians(in the near east) and with horrible cruelty had devastated everything almost to the walls of Constantinople, and were now governing the conquered lands with tyrannical violence, and that they had slain many thousands of Christians"

"The Crusades were the long-term result of the rise of Islam."

Elizabeth Hallam, Chronicles of the Crusades, Publisher: Welcome Rain, New York, New York, U.S.A., Year 2000. ... see more

http://groups.msn.com/ScientificReli...salemhoax.msnw

AdamsonLittle

It is the biggest ever hoax and a complete lie to say that the today's Palestinian/Israelite place called Jerusalem has any relation whatsoever with a location mentioned in the Bible.
There Was Never Any Biblical Jerusalem Ever in today's Palestine/Israel territory- Never Since The Creation of This Planet. However it can be anywhere else.

This Roman Palestinean location was called Aelia when Muslims took it in 7th century AD

All historical records from time immamorial to the begining of crusades called it Aelia. This small town was not considered important by Byzatine Constantinople or other big surrounding Roman cities for sending troops to help Aelia against Muslims. There was no shred of evidence that christians in surrounding areas or in ANY PART OF THE WORLD ever protested later for hundreds of years against unholy occupation by Muslims of their Holy Land . No church sermon mentioned that some fake Holy Place of a Mythical Christ has come under pagan occupation.

Visitors from Palestine to Europe Did not Report Any Jerusalem Till 1074 AD, Why?

Yes even for inciting people at the beginining of crusades it was not mentioned.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/g7...

Gregory VII: Called for a "Crusade", in 1074 long before the first cusade but did not mention Jerusalem, Why?

The crying need for crusades was only:
" that a pagan race(Muslims) had overcome the Christians(in the near east) and with horrible cruelty had devastated everything almost to the walls of Constantinople, and were now governing the conquered lands with tyrannical violence, and that they had slain many thousands of Christians"

"The Crusades were the long-term result of the rise of Islam."

Elizabeth Hallam, Chronicles of the Crusades, Publisher: Welcome Rain, New York, New York, U.S.A., Year 2000.

Scholars: Israel Finkelstein, Neil Asher Silberman http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeol... Thomas L. Thompson, Kamal Salibi and their fast growing associates deny any existance of any Biblical city called Jerusalem in Palestine ever in the history. They point to the complete absence of any Archeological and textual evidance for Biblical Jerusalem in Palestine despite hundred and fifty years of most intensive research. .... more detail

http://groups.msn.com/ScientificReligion...

AdamsonLittle

There Was Never Any Biblical Jerusalem Ever in today's Israel/Palestine location -Never Since The Creation of This Planet. However, it can be anywhere else.

This Place was called Aelia when Muslims took it in 7th century AD

All historical records from time immamorial to the begining of crusades called it Aelia. This small town was not considered important by Byzatine Constantinople or other big surrounding Roman cities for sending troops to help Aelia against Muslims. There was no shred of evidence that christians in surrounding areas or in ANY PART OF THE WORLD ever protested later for hundreds of years against unholy occupation by Muslims of their Holy Land . No church sermon mentioned that some fake Holy Place of a Mythical Christ has come under pagan occupation.

Visitors from Palestine to Europe Did not Report Any Jerusalem Till 1074 AD, Why?

Yes even for inciting people at the beginining of crusades, Why?
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/g7...
Gregory VII: Called for a "Crusade", in 1074 long before the first cusade but did not mention Jerusalem, Why?

The crying need for crusades was only:
" that a pagan race(Muslims) had overcome the Christians(in the near east) and with horrible cruelty had devastated everything almost to the walls of Constantinople, and were now governing the conquered lands with tyrannical violence, and that they had slain many thousands of Christians"

"The Crusades were the long-term result of the rise of Islam."

Elizabeth Hallam, Chronicles of the Crusades, Publisher: Welcome Rain, New York, New York, U.S.A., Year 2000.

Scholars: Israel Finkelstein, Neil Asher Silberman http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeol... Thomas L. Thompson, Kamal Salibi and their fast growing associates deny any existance of any Biblical city called Jerusalem in Palestine ever in the history. They point to the complete absence of any Archeological and textual evidance for Biblical Jerusalem in Palestine despite hundred and fifty years of most intensive research.


No one with right senses can believe in the story that a whole city can be lost, without a trace under a known location, like a needle in the hay stack?

http://groups.msn.com/ScientificReli...salemhoax.msnw

Anat

What exactly is your claim? When do you think the city now called Jerusalem was founded? When do you think was it named Jerusalem or anything similar to Jerusalem? When did it become significant to the population of Judah? When did it become significant to Christians?

While Finkelstein and Silberman deny the biblical view of a unified kingdom of David and Solomon, they do say that the location of Jerusalem was settled from at least the late Bronze Age (probably earlier with population rising and dropping in cycles depending on political and climatical conditions) and it was a local stronghold, one of the few in southern Palestine. After the fall of the northern kingdom of Israel in 722 BCE Jerusalem rose in size and significance, and even moreso after the fall of Lachish in 701 BCE. I do not recall if there is evidence for what that city was named during those times but your wording is a misrepresentation of what Finkelstein and Silberman claim.

As for Jerusalem's significance for Christians, I'd say the Madaba Map indicates it was a place of significance in the 6th century CE.

And what evidence do you find for the name Aelia before the 2nd century CE?

Toto

This seems to be the point of this, from the msn group:

Jeffrey Gibson

Whoever composed this nonsense has obviously never read Josephus, let alone Pausanius, Stabo, Pliny the Elder, Cicero, or Juvenal. Nor have they ever apparently investigated the work(s) of Polybius, Manetho, Agatharchides, Cornelius Alexander Polyhistor, Posidonius, the historian Menander, Diodorus Siculus, Plutarch, or Appianus in which the city that becomes Aelia Capitolina in the 2nd century CE specifically mentioned as Jerusalem.

Jeffrey

Qwerty

Strange how nutjobs never bother to research their wacky notions? Could it be they fear their latest little 'trip' might just be nonsense after all?
Wacky people

History of Jerusalem http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../jerutime.html

Jeffrey Gibson

"Time immamorial"? Got breasts on your mind, have you?

In any case, what do you make the appearance and use of the tern Ἱεροσόλυμα in Polybius Hist 16.39.4.2; Manetho Fragmenta 42.92; 50a.7; 54.9; 54.22; 54.74; Agatharchides Geogr. Fragmenta 2a,86,F.20a.13; Fragmenta 2a,86,F.20b.5; Posidonius Phil. Fragmenta 131a.1; 131a.11; Fragmenta 131a.20; Fragmenta 131a.34; Fragmenta 132.1; Fragmenta 133.16; &` Diodorus Siculus Bibliotheca historica 34/35.1.1; 1.2.4; 1.3.10; 1.5.5; 40.3.3.6; Strabo Geography 16.2.28; 16.2.34; 16.2.36.3; 16.2.40.6; Fragmenta 2a,91,F.4.2; 2a,91,F.6.2 Fragmenta 2a,91,F.15.2, Appian, Syr. 50 §252; Cass. Dio 37, 15; 17; Timochares in Euseb., Pr. Ev. 9, 35; Ps.-Hecataeus in Jos., C. Ap. 1, 197; Agatharchides ibid. 1, 209; Lysimachus ibid. 1, 311; PGM 13, 997, not to mention all the uses of the term Hierosolyma in pre secund century CE Latin literature?

Were you aware of these references before you posted the above?

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson

I agree with the import of your question, but how does the chart you link us to show that Jerusalem was known as Jerusalem (not to mention Zion) before it was re-named Aelia Capitolina in the 2nd century CE?

Jeffrey

Qwerty

OK, renamed from what? - remember that AdamsonLittle claims that Jerusalem was always called Aelia - "All historical records from time immamorial to the begining of crusades called it Aelia." - this, clearly, is arrant nonsense. Aelia is a Roman name given to the rebuilt ruins of Jerusalem after the Emporer Hadrian had destroyed it in about 135 CE.

"The whole nation (of the Jews) was prohibited from this time on by a decree, and by the commands of Adrian, from ever going up to the country about Jerusalem. For the emperor gave orders that they should not even see from a distance the land of their fathers. Such is the account of Aristo of Pella. And thus, when the city had been emptied of the Jewish nation and had suffered a total destruction of its ancient inhabitants, it was colonized by a different race, and the Roman city which subsequently arose was called Aelia, in honour of the emperor Aelius Adrian."

– Eusebius, History of the Church, 39.6.3.
(Eusebius lived from ~ 263 -369? CE)

The Emporer Constantine re-established Jerusalem as a Christian centre in about 335 CE.
To say that, until the crusades, no one knew the name 'Jerusalem' is just plain weird. :banghead:

From AdamsonLittle
"There Was Never Any Biblical Jerusalem Ever in Palestine-Never Since The Creation of This Planet."

The work of a nutjob, if ever there was