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Nostalgic Pushhead · 04-26-2004, 04:21 PM

Since this used to be "Biblical Archaeology" I assume this should go here.

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The Trinity Corporation today announced that they have collected new satellite images taken over Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey that will add a new twist to an exploration that has been going on for centuries. The images, which were revealed at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC today, reveal a man- made structure at the site where the Bible states Noah's Ark came to rest.

Note that its not a news story, its a press release.

The Evil One · 04-26-2004, 04:31 PM

A man made structure on a mountain in Eastern Turkey? WOW! That's amazing! Men have never been known to make structures on mountains before, particularly not in Eastern Turkey. Clearly this proves that Genesis is true.

Rhaedas · 04-26-2004, 04:35 PM

"Single satellite picture revealed pixelated image that overthrows the overwhelming evidence against a global flood" - News at 11.

Maybe they need to get with Hoagland...he's good at finding stuff in digital pictures everyone else misses.

Heurismus · 04-26-2004, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhaedas

"Single satellite picture revealed pixelated image that overthrows the overwhelming evidence against a global flood" - News at 11.

Maybe they need to get with Hoagland...he's good at finding stuff in digital pictures everyone else misses.

Sounds like a good suggestion, but us horrible humanists are all liars; here is some 'proof'.

http://www.skeptic.com/02.4.lippard-ark-hoax.html

The next press release will no doubt tell us that its too sensitive or something equally fishy. Still the 'creationists' have had 55 years to pull the rabbit out of the hat. Some rabbit; some hat!!! Please, please, please can the whole world see the real evidence, without obfuscations like the Turkish government will not allow it, or some other codswallop.

It will not disprove if there was an Ark or not, but it would reveal the hoax/speculation value of those making false claims, and reveal who they actually are. They can't sustain this for much longer, or can they?

Mr. Bird · 04-26-2004, 07:06 PM

Seems AP has picked it up and now the "story" can be found on CNN Int'l, FAUX News, and a couple of others.

The original press release said that the satellite imagery was "revealed" at the press conference announcing the Ararat expidition. Couldn't find the images on the web and Googled "Shamrock-Trinity Corporation" too, but came up empty.

At least the AP story ends on a (somewhat) positive note:

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Geologists say even though there is evidence of a flood in Mesopotamia in Sumerian times, it is not possible for a ship to make landfall at an altitude as high as Mount Ararat.

Sarpedon · 04-26-2004, 07:12 PM

When I read the article, I noted a line that said "We will not be excavating, we will not be removing artifacts, we will only photograph it." HAHAHA! In other words, they will undertake this mission in the full knowledge that they will not be getting any PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Only doctored photographs. Puh-leeze.

enemigo · 04-26-2004, 07:41 PM

here is the satellite photo:

Toto · 04-26-2004, 07:46 PM

I googled the name of the Turkish representative, Ahmet Ali Arslan, who is supposed to be in charge of the expedition to the artifact. He is listed in places as the co-author of "The Lost Ship of Noah: In Search of the Ark at Ararat", by Charles Berlitz, who has also written about UFO landing sites. (See More Scams from the Great Beyond! : How to Make Even More Money Off the Creationism, Evolution, Environmentalism, Fringe Politics, Weird Science, the Occult, and Other Strange Beliefs.

From Anti-Evolution: A Reader's Guide to Writings Before and After Darwin by Tom McIver:

Evidently Arslan was the tour guide for Berlitz: Read it on Amazon (if the link works)

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Includes many interviews of principal Ark-eologists from Berlitz's 37-year pursuit of Ark and Flood stories. Much of the book's material provided by Ahmet Ali Arslan, a Turk who has interviewed and served as a guide for Many Ark searchers. Worldwide legends of the Flood are racial memories of great catatrophe which a few people survived in boats. Noah's Ark may be one such vessel. The Flood many have been caused by tilting of earth's axis (perhaps from close approach of Venus or a comet). resulting in immense tidal waves, disloding of polar ice, and violent upheavals. Equates Flood with catastrophe which occurred 11-12,000 years ago,causing sudden overflow of oceans and mass extinctions. Surviving species underwent a "sort of instant evolution." Discovery of a ship on Ararat would confirm all this. Gives a favorable review of the story of the three atheist scientists who set out to disprove the Ark rumors and thus the Bible, and were furious when they found the Art. Implies that Genesis account is scientifically valid. Discusses the ship-like formation near Ararat believed by some Ark-eologists to be the Ark (but contemptuously dismissed by others). Investigator Fasold, quoted at length, says it is the remains of the Ark, which was a reed boat covered with cement made of asphalt with pumice and pitch. Cites account of the atomic are in the Mahabarata, the Flood story in the Koran, Velikovsky, Sitchen, Hapgood's ancient maps, Hal Lindsey's Bible prophecy, Nostradamus and Cayce. Urges readers to take Noah's warning seriously.

mrmoderate · 04-26-2004, 07:54 PM

This area of Turkey has been targeted for the landing of Noah's Ark for nearly half a century. Everytime archaeologists get permission by the Turkish government to check out the site the Turks let them and then shoo them away without letting them take their equipment.

The reason for not excavating is because there would be no way to keep a 3,000 year old wooden structure intac. If this is a boat it would have rotted away long ago leaving nothing but an imprint of its physical material.

I'm certainly not saying that this is Noah's Ark. There is quite enough evidence that it is a large boat however. This is quite a strange thing to be at the top of a mountain.

If it is, or was a boat, it will be proven to be so. Our science can specifically identify materials underground without actually having to have contact with them.

Ensign Morituri · 04-26-2004, 08:14 PM

The boat shape looks just like the Durupinar formation, which Ron Wyatt's people will tell you is the "real Noah's Ark (TM)," nevermind the presence of similar (and naturally occuring) formations all over the region.

The "Ararat Anomaly" looks even more like a big chunk of rock than it does in the 1949 reconnaisance photos (available for free, by the way, from DIA).

And here I thought Porcher Taylor III finally got his pictures declassified by the CIA...Oh well. NEXT!

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04-26-2004, 04:31 PM	#2
The Evil One Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,561	A man made structure on a mountain in Eastern Turkey? WOW! That's amazing! Men have never been known to make structures on mountains before, particularly not in Eastern Turkey. Clearly this proves that Genesis is true.

04-26-2004, 04:35 PM	#3
Rhaedas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,440	"Single satellite picture revealed pixelated image that overthrows the overwhelming evidence against a global flood" - News at 11. Maybe they need to get with Hoagland...he's good at finding stuff in digital pictures everyone else misses.

04-26-2004, 07:12 PM	#6
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	When I read the article, I noted a line that said "We will not be excavating, we will not be removing artifacts, we will only photograph it." HAHAHA! In other words, they will undertake this mission in the full knowledge that they will not be getting any PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Only doctored photographs. Puh-leeze.

04-26-2004, 07:41 PM	#7
enemigo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: atlanta, ga Posts: 691	here is the satellite photo:

04-26-2004, 07:54 PM	#9
mrmoderate Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Baltimore/DC area Posts: 1,306	This area of Turkey has been targeted for the landing of Noah's Ark for nearly half a century. Everytime archaeologists get permission by the Turkish government to check out the site the Turks let them and then shoo them away without letting them take their equipment. The reason for not excavating is because there would be no way to keep a 3,000 year old wooden structure intac. If this is a boat it would have rotted away long ago leaving nothing but an imprint of its physical material. I'm certainly not saying that this is Noah's Ark. There is quite enough evidence that it is a large boat however. This is quite a strange thing to be at the top of a mountain. If it is, or was a boat, it will be proven to be so. Our science can specifically identify materials underground without actually having to have contact with them.

04-26-2004, 08:14 PM	#10
Ensign Morituri Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 462	The boat shape looks just like the Durupinar formation, which Ron Wyatt's people will tell you is the "real Noah's Ark (TM)," nevermind the presence of similar (and naturally occuring) formations all over the region. The "Ararat Anomaly" looks even more like a big chunk of rock than it does in the 1949 reconnaisance photos (available for free, by the way, from DIA). And here I thought Porcher Taylor III finally got his pictures declassified by the CIA...Oh well. NEXT!

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