Chili

Christ (to leave Jesus aside for now), was the parthenocarpic fruit of the womb, and that makes him from Jewish descent via Joseph and not Mary.

Now all you need to do is figure out what parthenocarpic fruit of the womb means. Here is a hint, but in reality you will find that the sacred womb here was wherein life first was conceived inside the sperm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenocarpy

DCHindley

While I try not to bring this up too often, I have done some research into possible stratification in the epistles of Paul. As the text stands, it is extremely difficult to follow the arguments.

In the table below, the left column discusses issues related to faith and justification. The right column contains words added by a redactor. He obviously had a completely different POV. The left column has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, the right column has nothing to do with anything but Jesus Christ.

You judge:

Base Text	Redactor
2:15 We ourselves, who are Judeans by birth and not Gentile sinners,
16 *[yet]* who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith [a], even we have believed [b], in order to be justified by faith [c], and not by works of the law, because by works of the law will not be justified any (Ps 143:2) flesh.	(a) of Jesus Christ (b) in Christ Jesus (c) of Christ
	2:17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we ourselves were found to be sinners, is Christ then an agent of sin? Certainly not!
	2:18 But if I build up again those things which I tore down, then I prove myself a transgressor.
	2:19a For I, through the law, died to the law, that I might live to God. 19b I have been crucified with Christ;
	2:20 it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the *Son of God*, who loved me and gave himself for me.
2:21a I do not nullify the grace 21b of God; 21c [a]	(a) for if justification were through the law, then Christ died to no purpose.
	3:1a O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, 1b [before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?]
	3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
	3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh?
	3:4 Did you experience so many things in vain? -- if it really is in vain.
	3:5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
3:6 Thus Abraham "believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness." (Gen 15:6)
3:7 So you see that it is men of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the good news beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." (Gen 12:3)
3:9 So then, those who are men of faith are blessed with Abraham who had faith.
3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." (Deu 27:26)
3:11 Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; (Hab 2:4)
3:12 but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them." (Lev 18:5)
	3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree" -- (Deu 21:23)
3:14 that [a] the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.	(a) in *Christ Jesus*
3:15 To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man's will, or adds to it, once it has been ratified.
3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring (sg). [a]	(a) It does not say, "And to offsprings (pl)," referring to many; but, referring to one, "And to your offspring (sg)," (Gen 12:7; 13:15; 17:7; 24:7) which is Christ.
3:17 This is what I mean: Given a covenant previously ratified by *God,* then that which came four hundred and thirty years (Exo 12:40) afterward, the Law, does not annul it so as to make the promise void.
3:18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, [a]; and it was ordained by angels through an intermediary.	(a) till the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made
3:20 Now an intermediary implies more than one; but God is one.
3:21 Is the law then against the promises *[of God]*? Certainly not; for if a law had been given which could make alive, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
3:22 But the scripture consigned all things to sin, that the promise [a] might be given to those who believe.	(a) out of faith in Jesus Christ
	3:23 Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed.
	3:24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith.
	3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian;
	3:26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
	3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
	3:28 There is neither Judean nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
	3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

DCH

thief of fire

I'll pass and take my chances

Chili

You'll be OK, but it is metamorphosis that is native to the animal man and should be protected by religion as the most basic or primary of all human rights. To tamper with this what the millstone was all about.

Nobody will ever believe this , but is what MEMO-pause is all about from 'I remain' as in become eternal during that time, and the secret here is to get there before 40 to make a it a true mid-life event.

If you go into literature you will see it often at this age and after that it is too late as 'the tiger' in you will be no more.

Notice 1st cause Annunciation by Gabriel directly from God, and not Lord God, to be sure, which is orginative from beyond or beneath religion, that so must have to go and will be the last slavery to overcome because it is deeply engrained into our own soul, as in 'the sins of the clan, tribe and nation' that will come to rest on our children for generations to come, etc.

Zamjatin's "WE" is 125 page poem that is very detailed in this, but it is a poem, I suppose. Russian lit is actually full of it since they are still fresh and recent from their great fall.

Oh, and this will hang Mohammad who at least had his angels mixed up, and that is something he cannot afford. To note here is that the Jews know exactly how it is done.

Plato details in it too, but not Aristotle.

Chili

As an apology, I do not pretend to know Plato and Aristotle, but know "Port Royal Logic" fairly well and that no longer exists as it once was.

To bring a point home while I am here, America proudly boasts the 'Golden Eagle' as their national emblem, which really is a contradiction according to the above. But who cares, really, except that the contradiction is seen by many as a world religion where they purposely clip his wings so he can't even fly.

Kind of like veterinarians using the 'raised serpent' as a symbol of prestige to show that the animals can no longer sin.

Oh, and I had spelled MENO wrong

Onias

Yes, the Paulines are heavily redacted. Have you read material by Hermann Detering?