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Old 06-14-2004, 10:42 AM   #31
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It's the last digit in the decimal system for one thing.
And what's the significance of 9 being the last digit in the decimal system?


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Also, you get a very interesting pattern when adding in multiples of 9, suggesting a sort of symmetry of opposites ...

00 .. 09 .. 18 .. 27 .. 36 .. 45 .. 54 .. 63 .. 72 .. 81 .. 90 .. 99
99 .. 90 .. 81 .. 72 .. 63 .. 54 .. 45 .. 36 .. 27 .. 18 .. 09 .. 00
00 .. 09 .. 18 .. 27 .. 36 .. 45 .. 54 .. 63 .. 72 .. 81 .. 90 .. 99 ..108
108..99 .. 90 .. 81 .. 72 .. 63 .. 54 .. 45 .. 36 .. 27 .. 18 .. 09 .. 00

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Plus, when adding them, they always add up to 99 ...
Or, in my example, to 108. Incredible!
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Maybe it's Mohammed....from God, divine, heads a religion, denies the Christ...
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Just so we're all on the same track here, here's an interesting post (about the number 9) posted on the same thread at JREF Forums ...


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As my reference to Artemis and the number 9, which is also the moon's "death number," has already been brought up, I thought I would mention that 9 is the age at which young girls were initiated into Artemis' cult. Also, since Artemis was the goddess of childbirth, she assisted in the birth of her twin brother Apollo (such is the nature of Greek myth) almost immediately after she was born. And guess what, it lasted a full 9 days!

Also, pay to attention to the description of the locusts below, and keep in mind what we often refer to as wasps: White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestants ...


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1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. ~ Revelation 9:1-11
Now don't these locusts sound even remotely to similar to wasps? -- specifically to a yellow-jackets' nest -- with stings in their tails and their fierce bites? For more info on this and, the Great 9-11 Wake-Up Call, please follow the link ... And isn't this what gave rise to President Busth (9-11 Day), in his fundamentalist views, and his War on Terror?

And one other thing, shortly after the Twin Towers collapsed, it was the eeriest thing, to see all those Fire Fighters -- with their black and "yellow jackets" on -- digging through the charred and smoking rubble, almost as if they were wasps emerging from a fiery pit. Oh, and wouldn't it be a fair assessment to say that the World Trade Center was the headquarters of the White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestants in this Country? Yes, and he Fifth Angel had sounded, only to have a star fall from the sky, smack dab into the five-sided building we call The Pentagon.
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The world was physically split in half when Polo went to China. As every
prophet knows when you split in half you kill a third. Now to understand
the propecy of these little beasties, you have to read the reference
before this. They are giving you a definite time frame. Mountains were
moved, and places were not found and the heavens rolled up like a
scroll. This doesn't take much figuring out. The merchants of the sea
mapped the earth out by the stars in the heavens. So this was a time
when men truly started to sail the seas. ERgo Marco Polo.

using simple gematria to figure the time frame 5 mos=55 years, as a month
is 11 years (Kabbalah), then the rats came to Europe with Marco Polo when
he returned in 1295 The bubonic plague which these very rats carried,
didn't start striking men until 1347. So we can see that bible prophecy
is completely fulfilled, once we understand the whys.

You can't blame any one group of people for the patriarchal order that
has led us to the doorsteps of megiddo.

Regardless, the rats carried the fleas that carried the parasite bubos,
and this is what destroyed one third of the population of Europe.

Remember all of the implements that Polo brought back from china,
even though they were just child's play, became implements of destruction
in the west. They got a taste of the way nature destroys imediately.

The trip by Polo to the Courts of China, was a new awakening for Europe,
they determined that they were superior to the asian races and split
the world in two.
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616 is quoted as being the beast in revelations in very old translations,
my family bible dates back to 1750. They refer to the beast as 616,
however as people became better to communication efforts, and the ideas
of reincarnation invaded the west, especially this past century, it was
retranslated as 666. the vau is the fleshy part of man, and we see that
the vau also equals the son, therefore the beast is those who seek to
retake the flesh by illegal intercourse. Traversing the bardo state, whether
it be egyptian or Tibetan, or western or eastern, to reincarnate is chasing
the beast. A plethora of information poured out of the east because of the
likes of Blavatsky and Alder, and Wentz, to name a few, they themselves
became enthralled with the idea of reincarnation, and brought these
ideas to the west.

Reincarnation is chasing the beast. Looking to retake the flesh after one
gives up the ghost. But the answer is not reincarnation, it is ressurection.

The name of the beast is I was, I am not, I shall be, and many have
chased the beast this last century, so much so That Edgar Cayce seen
Harmiggedon as fighting in the air for 1000 years, between those leaving
and those trying to return.
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And what's the significance of 9 being the last digit in the decimal system?


00 .. 09 .. 18 .. 27 .. 36 .. 45 .. 54 .. 63 .. 72 .. 81 .. 90 .. 99 ..108
108..99 .. 90 .. 81 .. 72 .. 63 .. 54 .. 45 .. 36 .. 27 .. 18 .. 09 .. 00


Or, in my example, to 108. Incredible!
However, I don't see anything symmetrical about it?
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Hey, did you know that The Name Jesus = 666? Sure it does. All you have to do is take the numerical value of the letters in His name and add them together (10 + 5 + 19 + 21 + 19), in which case you get 74 which, when multiplied by 9, you get 666!

Hmm, what could it possibly mean?
It means that someone isn't familiar with the MSS that give the number of the beast as 616 AND that someone is goofing around or placing way too much significance on the Apocalypse of John of Patmos.
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However, I don't see anything symmetrical about it?
No kidding? What do you mean by "symmetrical", BTW?

That's the point. You picked a set for which symmetry can be found. Other such symmetric sets exist, no doubt. As do many sets that don't exhibit symmetry, including sets using "multiples of 9", like the one I provided.

Also, is your set still "symmetrical" if you remove the extraneous extra 0 from "00" and "09"?

Is this set symmetrical?

000 009 018 027 036 045 054 063 072 081 090 099 108
108 099 090 081 072 063 054 045 036 027 018 009 000

Or...

0 2 4 6 8
8 6 4 2 0

Look - they all add up to 8! And they're symmetrical!
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Default The locusts are from the Zodiac

As a further point of interest, the Revelation of John talks about that span of time with the locusts as being 5 months. He provides further details in the symbolic description of these creatures:

There are actually five signs of the Zodiac mentioned here and each sign appears next to each other on the chart -

1) Sagittarius - It looks like a horse prepared for battle with a human head.

2) Virgo - Hair like a woman’s hair.

3) Leo - Teeth like a lion’s teeth.

4) Scorpio - They had tails and stings like scorpions.

5) Libra - "Breastplates" like iron. The exact meaning for this word is uncertain. But they are also described as scales. The traditional weighing scales derive their name from the fact that animal scales were originally used to make these.
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616 is quoted as being the beast in revelations in very old translations,
my family bible dates back to 1750. They refer to the beast as 616,
however as people became better to communication efforts, and the ideas
of reincarnation invaded the west, especially this past century, it was
retranslated as 666.
This plainly isn't supported by the evidence. Firstly 1750 is nothing like old by the standards of biblical criticism. Secondly there are actually 3 variants with respect to the actual number, 666,665 & 616. The vast majority of MSS from antiquity support 666. Only the 5th century codex C has the 616 variant (additionally the church father Irenaeus acknowledges that this variant exists in MSS unknown to us). While 616 is an interesting and important variant the vast preponderance of the evidence suggests that 666 is the original reading.
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