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steve_bnk · 08-13-2012, 10:33 AM

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there is no mystery at all surrounding noahs mythology

It was born from Ziusudras legend, a real king, and a real local flood when the Euphrates overflowed in 2900BC that grew from a river flood to a sea deluge in mesopotamian history before the Israelites used that foundation for their myth

I think that was an hypothesis from a past Discovery Channel profile of a potential historical Noah.

aeebee50 · 08-13-2012, 10:41 AM

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This would be a great movie. Do you know if it has been made into a movie?

Not a movie, yet.

the real story is pretty good though told through mythology and pieced togetehr with the sumerian Kings list.

Ziusudra after a 6 day thunderstorm could not escape the rising water as the banks overflowed, he loaded what livestock, grain, beer ect ect on a barge and went down the flooded river where he eneded up landing next to a hill, and preformed a animal sacrifice.

the flood was attested by modern archeology and dated at 2900 BC.

Ziusudra was on a kings list at that time.

And of course the Sumerian mythology a few hundred years later.

It would be so interesting. It only needs to be financed and other details worked out.

DoubtingDave · 08-13-2012, 04:13 PM

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How do we know what a global deluge would or would not do in terms of rapid fossilization or sedimentary deposits?

how can we possibly know what woul dhappen (sic) during a global deluge?
AND... evolution is a result of the Fossil Record, so it is begging the question to say that the Fossil Record matches up perfectly

DoubtingDave · 08-13-2012, 04:28 PM

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how you can validate what you think the results of a global deluge would be according to empirical testing and against physical observation?

outhouse · 08-14-2012, 09:02 AM

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Not a movie, yet.

the real story is pretty good though told through mythology and pieced togetehr with the sumerian Kings list.

Ziusudra after a 6 day thunderstorm could not escape the rising water as the banks overflowed, he loaded what livestock, grain, beer ect ect on a barge and went down the flooded river where he eneded up landing next to a hill, and preformed a animal sacrifice.

the flood was attested by modern archeology and dated at 2900 BC.

Ziusudra was on a kings list at that time.

And of course the Sumerian mythology a few hundred years later.

It would be so interesting. It only needs to be financed and other details worked out.

give it 5 years, it wil be out.

theres enough junk out there now, a decent movie with a good foundation in biblical terms could take off into decades of movies if done right.

outhouse · 08-14-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by outhouse

there is no mystery at all surrounding noahs mythology

It was born from Ziusudras legend, a real king, and a real local flood when the Euphrates overflowed in 2900BC that grew from a river flood to a sea deluge in mesopotamian history before the Israelites used that foundation for their myth

I think that was an hypothesis from a past Discovery Channel profile of a potential historical Noah.

they have briefly gone into it, but ive seen nothing with detail and has been part of other whacky guesses lumping it in with trash.

it really sucks garbage sells

outhouse · 08-14-2012, 09:07 AM

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Creationists criticisms (already)

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How do we know what a global deluge would or would not do in terms of rapid fossilization or sedimentary deposits?

how can we possibly know what woul dhappen (sic) during a global deluge?
AND... evolution is a result of the Fossil Record, so it is begging the question to say that the Fossil Record matches up perfectly

we have plenty of fossils from flood deposits.

reason, knowledge and common sense are all that required

unfortunately YEC turn all that down and no evidence will ever convince them.

what needs to be done and its going that way, is we are breeding the brainwashing out, the old faithful are dieing out, and education is slowing the mythical brainwashing out of society. I think its to slow but it is progress

rousseau · 08-14-2012, 04:15 PM

Thread has been moved to Biblical criticism.

aeebee50 · 08-14-2012, 07:40 PM

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It would be so interesting. It only needs to be financed and other details worked out.

give it 5 years, it wil be out.

theres enough junk out there now, a decent movie with a good foundation in biblical terms could take off into decades of movies if done right.

I would be intested in one of the flood stories from the North American native triibes, especially the Cherokee. Like the Hopi Tribe tribe talking about the Spider Woman and the spider people.

I think they are on their Peyote Cactus juice or smoke.

aeebee50 · 08-14-2012, 07:43 PM

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Creationists criticisms (already)

we have plenty of fossils from flood deposits.

reason, knowledge and common sense are all that required

unfortunately YEC turn all that down and no evidence will ever convince them.

what needs to be done and its going that way, is we are breeding the brainwashing out, the old faithful are dieing out, and education is slowing the mythical brainwashing out of society. I think its to slow but it is progress

Noah and some of the other civilizations around Mount Ararat would fit in the 6,000 years (I assume that is the year the YEC use), but they do not allow for dinosaurs. Dinosaurs must not rate for them.

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