aa5874

According to gMark, Jesus' last words on the cross were ,"My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" gMatthew repeated the very same last words.

However in gLuke, Jesus appears to be in a more upbeat mood even on the cross, he seems to be in conference with his crucifiers and maintained dialogue with those crucified with him when he said, "Father forgive them; for they know not what they do," and addressing one of the thieves, "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise".
And on the cross, his last words were, according to gLuke, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit."

Now, gJohn recorded a totally different version of Jesus' last words on the cross. Jesus spoke to his mother and said, "Woman, behold thy son"and to a disciple, "Behold, thy mother." And after saying, "I thirst" and his final words were, It is finished."

If Jesus was just a natural human being, and was actually crucified, I would like to believe he would have said or screamed, at the top of his lungs, " Somebody help me, please stop, no, wt...wt...expletive....expletive, oh sh....., aaahhhh" for hours until he was dead.

What do you think Jesus would have said or screamed when he was on the cross, if he was actually crucified.

Joan of Bark

The why hast thou forsaken me quote is a real head-scratcher, and Christians avoid talking about it. I think it has a better chance of being accurate than any of the other quotes, simply because it is more controversial to the Christian faith, and therefore less likely to be invented. I mean, why would Jesus say such a thing if he had already predicted his crucifixion? If I was God, I would reply: "Quit yer bellyachin'. You knew this would happen, you worked to make it happen, so why are you complaining now?"

dog-on

I vote for "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

because it provides the second biggest "gotcha"...

After all the build-up, the secret "knowledge" and miracles.

In the end, the guy that turns out to have been the patsy, is the hero himself, or was he (the biggest gotcha)!

A well written drama...

Huon

it is always the same ambiguity. When it is a question of miracles, JC is clearly a god. But the Passion has been devised to make an appeal to compassion (com-Passion). The reader (listener) has to suffer with JC. Jesus could have been stoned, beheaded, hanged. Worse, crucified. Here, Jesus is a man and must suffer the worst torture. Unfortunately, it is a Roman torture. Etc...

squiz

I don't think this is considered controversial by most Christians. The standard explanation given is that at that moment Christ was bearing our sins and therefore had to be forsaken by the father.

Dogfish

I thought it was, "Peter....I can see your house from here!"

:rolling:

Malachi151

Which is a stupid explanation. It was copied from Psalm 22, enough said.

IN anwser to the first question: There is no reason to think that any of these things were said or that any of this ever happened, and there is much evidence against the whole scene.

spin

I thought it was something like this:

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath

There's more to it of course, but you get the gist, don't you?

WTF

Just as a dumbass question - when he told the one dude that he will be with him in paradise TODAY - mmmmmmm, didn't JC do some work first before he went up to paradise? Didn't he first lie in the grave, then did the resurrection thing, then went down to hell to talk to some people, then ascended? Surely he didn't do all of that and ascended same day?

I don't know enough about the Good Book, so this is just coming from memories of long ago.

aa5874

gMark was written perhaps 40 years or more after the supposed crucifixion, would some-one remember the words of one of the thousands crucified who were probably regarded as criminals?

If Jesus was not the son of God and there are no known historical records of him being regarded as a major figure of 1st century, then the words, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me," have no real significance and could have been said by any Jew if that Jew felt abandoned by God, whether on a cross or not, or even not being aware of Psalms 22.

And there may have been many times when the Jews as a whole felt abandoned by God, even the Psalmist expressed this without being crucified.