IBelieveInHymn

That's your belief.

I've said that all along. They didn't know GOOD AND EVIL, but they understood RIGHT FROM WRONG. There is a difference.

Yes, they were not ashamed of their nakedness until they discovered evil.

That's right, you don't understand the bible. You think you do, but in reality, you don't.

Of course God knew Adam & Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge, but he didn't stop them. They have to make their own choices.

Why would God prevent it from happening? He is allowing mankind to make our own choices.

Yes, I'm a parent, and If I see my children doing something wrong, I usually tell my wife, let them learn their lesson. They will know NOT to do that again. Sometimes the greatest lessons we learn in life are from our mistakes. Have you ever heard of that one before?

Tell me. What do you understand that I don't?

So far, from what I have gathered from an atheists point of view.

1. God is evil.
2. God condones genocide.
3. God cannot stop Satan's evil force.
4. God hates Children.
5. God hates non-christians.
6. Israel was not reborn in a day.
7. It wasn't Satan in the Garden of Eden.
8. Jesus said we must hate our parents.
9. Jesus promised he would return before the expiration of the 1st century.
10. The Bible is a lie.

Did I cover everything?

IBelieveInHymn

Do you even understand in which time era that was written? It was written in a time when even spelling God's name in full was considered blasphemy to the highest order. Look at the world in 2009. Slandering God's name has become a part of the English culture. We are without a doubt a world gone corrupt.

I have both a rational thought and a strong belief. I'm a thinker. I do not dismiss a part of the bible when I don't understand what it says. That's what skeptics do best. They cherry pick parts of the bible that seem to be an error, or maybe a part where God is expressing his wrath and vengeance on the wicked.

Atheists always show me verses in the bible where God condones genocide, but they never reveal why God is permitting genocide.

Sai

Hardly. You didnt get any of it right. Roll your eyes at yourself.

"god" does not exist so none of those things is real. but the bible seems to say they are.

parts of the bible are true, some sort of true, some is poetry, some is sort of historical, some is total nonsense. Its not a lie; is more like a historical novel put together by a committee over a period of many years.

Amaleq13

They didn't know the difference between right and wrong until after they ate the magic fruit so it makes no sense to claim they had an option.

One only has an actual option when one understands the choice one is making. Your Bible claims they could not have understood the choice prior to making it. They were set up to fail.

No, the talking snake told them the truth. Contrary to what God told them, they did not die upon eating of the fruit. There is no indication in the story that the snake is anything but a talking (and possibly walking) snake. That is a later reinterpretation of the story.

They were going to die anyway since it was the other fruit that was supposed to grant eternal life. If we obey the words of the snake, we actually have the knowledge necessary to make an informed choice.

The snake was right and God was playing a trick on A&E. They were doomed to fail but the snake tried to help them.

No, the true points of the story is that God is an asshole who is willing to lie and set up a no-win situation and you are more likely to get the truth from a talking snake.

spamandham

Well of course. The Bible is, afterall, a clever deception by Satan intended to cause people to unwittingly worship him. It says so right there in the Bible.

IBelieveInHymn

They knew the difference between right and wrong because God ordered them to NOT eat the fruit. So, by doing so, they would have known eating the fruit was forbidden by God! And it was WRONG in the eyes of God.

How were they "setup" to fail? God warned them, do NOT eat from this tree. That alone should have been a strong enough clue that it is WRONG to eat from the Tree.


No, the talking Snake actually condemned them to die. The Serpent knew they would introduce evil unto the world by disobeying God.


If you obey the Serpent, then you will surely die.

How was the Serpent correct? Adam and Eve did not receive eternal life and they died as a result of following the Beast.

spamandham

They knew what god ordered, and they knew they were disobeying that order, they even knew what god said the consequence would be, but they didn't know that disobeying an order from god was wrong until after they ate the fruit, because they did not yet have knowledge of right and wrong.

IBelieveInHymn

Here are the cross references that you don't seem to understand..


One of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. The lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, 3 has triumphed, enabling him to open the scroll with its seven seals." Revelation 5:5

"To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. Like clay vessels will they be smashed, just as I received authority from my Father. And to him I will give the morning star. Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Revelation 2:26-29

Step back and look at the entire painting.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to IBelieveioHymn: Please make a post in my threads at http://www.freeratio.org/showthread....24#post6120324 and http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=275799 at the General Religious Discussions Forum.

IBelieveInHymn

So, let me get this straight. They understood the consequences, and they also knew what God meant by saying do not eat from the tree, but they didn't understand right vs. wrong?

hmm? :constern01: