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Old 07-30-2008, 09:05 AM   #81
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Let's calibrate, here.
You said that the various layers of fossils and strata were laid down by the flood. You also said that the Grand Canyon was carved by the 40-days/nights of rain that started the flood.
There's a problem, there, that you have the rain carving a canyon in strata that you say haven't been laid down yet.

When were the layers of the geologic column laid down so that the Grand Canyon could be dug out in 40 days of rain?

And just out of curiosity, how long was the Flood?
You said that the various layers of fossils and strata were laid down by the flood.
I don't say that.
And just out of curiosity, how long was the Flood?[/
40 days of rain,150 days water not receeded and another 150 days the rain slowly receeded.
From Second month of that year to the first monht of the next.
So you obviously believe a wood boat with 8 people could feed and contain animals shovel waste for a year? ever mucked out a horses stall once in your life? One elephant waste product will fill an Olympic size swimming pool in one years time now combine that by two. since your all full of wisdom and all why don't you explain to us what you know about wood boats and the inherent flaw with them once you surpass a certain size?
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You said that the various layers of fossils and strata were laid down by the flood.
I don't say that.
Well, yes, you do. You mention Polystrate fossils, and link to discussion, which use them to argue against the slow deposit of layers, and 'prove' that the layers of strata were laid down by one great geologic event right?

Or don't you read the sites you cite?
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I don't say that.
Well, yes, you do. You mention Polystrate fossils, and link to discussion, which use them to argue against the slow deposit of layers, and 'prove' that the layers of strata were laid down by one great geologic event right?

Or don't you read the sites you cite?
Did you know that earthquakes have with volcanic eruptions?
For so many verse in Isaiah,Psalms,Job tell about shaking of earth or earthquake.Following Eruptions also happened that caused subsequent layer or strata.Local floods caused to trap living organisms with this volumes of ashes . Irregularities of strata caused by earthquakes,after every eruptions.Then the Global flood came and mud due to landslides from mountains covered living animals like dragon,leviathan,and all animals.Flat plains caused by these muds.

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Following Eruptions also happened that caused subsequent layer or strata.Local floods caused to trap living organisms with this volumes of ashes .
So, you're saying that all sediment is volcanic in origin? Or that geologists can't tell the difference between water-sifted ash and other materials?

Then tell me, please, how much of the Geologic column was before, and how much after, teh Great Fluud? Where was this great fluud and mud event that laid out the plains? That carved the Grand Canyon out of existing strata?

And if all those strata are before the flood, how old is the Urth?
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Following Eruptions also happened that caused subsequent layer or strata.Local floods caused to trap living organisms with this volumes of ashes .
So, you're saying that all sediment is volcanic in origin? Or that geologists can't tell the difference between water-sifted ash and other materials?

Then tell me, please, how much of the Geologic column was before, and how much after, teh Great Fluud? Where was this great fluud and mud event that laid out the plains? That carved the Grand Canyon out of existing strata?

And if all those strata are before the flood, how old is the Urth?
So, you're saying that all sediment is volcanic in origin? Or that geologists can't tell the difference between water-sifted ash and other materials?


Did you know polonium halo?This element made this ashes to become old earth that makes it differ from the true ashes.Not all of it was from the ashes but also with the landslides and local floods mud flow soils.

Layers Below are caused by landslides,mudflow and volcanic eruptions before the global flood,and the upper part are caused by global flood's mud flow and landslides.
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So, you're saying that all sediment is volcanic in origin? Or that geologists can't tell the difference between water-sifted ash and other materials?
Did you know polonium halo?
You know, if you didn't want a conversation, you shoulda said so.
If you're just going to PRATT right after every post, i don't feel the need to be offering straight lines.
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Layers Below are caused by landslides,mudflow and volcanic eruptions before the global flood,and the upper part are caused by global flood's mud flow and landslides.
Such nonsense is debunked here.

http://www.durangobill.com/Creationism.html

And admitedly, this website is rather harsh on Creationists. But there comes a point when the ignorance of the subject matter and the willful deceit by those Creationist leaders who profit off of the lies they tell believers becomes too irritating to politely endure.

There is no geologic evidence whatsoever that supports anything that is said in the book of Genesis. It's fiction. No amount of hypothetical mental acrobatics will change that. We do not have any modern animals being found in the older strata of the Earth. There is a clear timeline that shows some species of animals dying out before new species of animals emerged. Dinosaurs did not mingle with humans. Modern elephants didn't hang out with mammoths. Thus God did not create all the animals we have found evidence for on a single day. To insist that He did, requires ignoring all fossil evidence and claiming that God is a terrible designer as the vast majority of his creations have gone extinct. Creationism is a view held by those with limited scientific knowledge and assumes that the God of Abraham is similar to the Greek Gods such as Zeus and thus coupled with flawed thinking and limited foresight. At the time that Genesis was written, it is understandable how these concepts entered a story that was a conjecture on how it all began. For us in this day and age to have folks still arguing that the Genesis tale has any factual background means that we have people whose thinking is thousands of years behind current knowledge.
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[Creationism is a view held by those with limited scientific knowledge
Your above statement is ignorant.
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Your above statement is ignorant.
In his above stament, Blackclaw is ignorant of what, exactly ?

aChristian, such a peremptory assertion does not show that you know better.

I am very amused that your understanding of the Christian religion needs absolutely a belief in the myths described in Genesis. So, if no flood, then, no God, no Christ ?

Why not a flat earth, then ?
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[Creationism is a view held by those with limited scientific knowledge
Your above statement is ignorant.
No, it's not.

And let me be clear. There are many many scientists whose knowledge dwarfs my own knowledge and believe in God. I do not have a problem with theistic beliefs. I do have a problem when a belief system tries to impose itself on the scientific community despite a complete lack of evidence.

Creationism has no evidence. Evolution has an overwhelming amount. No one that has any concept of science can believe in Creationism without a willful ignorance of the facts. Every arguement put forth by the Creationist viewpoint has been crushed or is so off base that it's nonsensical. The "experts" that the Creationist cause brings forth are, at best, experts talking outside their fields. Evolution is a part of biology. Having an astrophysist discuss biology is like having a champion sand castle builder trying to explain how to build a computer. Yes, silicon is involved in both projects but beyond that the commonality falls off pretty quickly. At worst, Creationism experts are outright frauds profiting off those who want to believe what they have to say.

The only arguement that Creationism can fall back on at this point is "well God made the Earth look old." We're down to dealing with a trickster God who is patterned after the Norse God Loki. Ultimately, if God wants to fool us, He can fool us. He's God. But you know what the best way to make the Earth look really old is? To simply make the Earth really old. If God exists, then He is a being that is timeless who has no need to stick to a time schedule drawn out by ancient writers who had no idea that our sun is a star.

So in short, give it up. Start looking at evidence first then drawing a conclusion. Take off the "Bible glasses" and see the world as it really is.
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