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Bible scientific proof:
JOB 26:7
He strecthed out the north over the empty place(space),and hangeth the earth upon nothing(space).
a.North extends to space.
b.Earth is in space.

ECCLEASTES 1:6
The wind goeth toward the south, and turn about( round earth) the north, it whirled about continually,the wind return again according to his circuit.

a. if wind continually goes south direction ,it could reach to north.

6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.

ISAIAH 40:22
It is he that sittethin the cirlce of the earth.
a.Means round shape earth.

PSALM 103:12
As far as the east is from the west.
a.means earth is round.

12 As far as the east is from the west,
so far has He removed
our transgressions from us.




JOB 28:10
He cutteth river among the rock.

ECCLEASTES 1:7
River runs into the sea,unto the place from whence river come,they return again
a.Water cycle

7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.


Real history
Noah's flood(1556 years after ceation)
1.Polystrate fossil http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq...te_fossils.htm http://yecheadquarters.org/shame.34.html
2.Marine fossils above mountains http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...-sea-creatures
3.Grand Canyon http://www.yecheadquarters.org/noah_flood.2.html


Oldest Things Alive Today are around 4200 years old
(http://www.creationevidence.net/evbiology.shtml)
• The oldest living coral reef is less than 4200 years old.
• The oldest living tree in the world is about 4300 years old.
• The current population of earth (5.5 billion souls) could easily be generated from eight
People (survivors of the Flood) in less than 4000 years. http://ldolphin.org/popul.html
http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea.../i3/people.asp


Conclusion: Oldest living things support the account of Noah's flood which happened 4,400 years ago. Scientific dating is not so accurate maybe the oldest tree and oldest coral reefs was grow in the date after the flood in the same time.



"And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name [was] Joktan."
(Genesis 10:25 KJV)

Earth was divided into:
1. Continents and islands
• Western Africa and eastern South America coastline seemed to be match.
2. Languages
• Tower of Babel
3.Race

•Also in peleg's days races were begin to divide.
•It explain how natives or aborignes came to different islands and continents.

Earth Division (was happened in Peleg's days 101 years after the flood).

Supposed theory of how earth divides:

• Rising of sea level, which causes all lower areas connecting between continents to covered by sea. http://www.kjvbible.org/peleg.html

1. From Siberia to Alaska.
2. Malaysia to Australia to Antarctica


• A sudden continental drift of a single land into continents and islands.

1. Rocks in Brazil and Congo are likely the same.
2. Glossopteris fern found in both Australia and India
3. diadectid insect found in Europe and N. america.
4. Lystrosaurus,a tropical reptile, found in africa,india,china and antarctica.
5. Rafflesia flower in Borneo and philippines.
6. E. South America and W Africa coastlines seemed to be match.
7. Frozen mammoth with undigested buttercup flower in their stomach, it seems that Siberia before was near in the tropical region and sudden movement of continents brought Siberia from tropical to polar region that made them frost alive.
8. From one origin all concepts like gods,dragons,unicorns,Heaven and hell were being practice of different civilization in every continents. Similarities tell that all these things came from one origin
Unicorns The unicorn is also mentioned in Deuteronomy 33:17, Numbers 23:22 and 24:8; Psalm 22:21, 29:6 and 92:10; and Isaiah 34:7. Unicorn (‘one horn’) stories have been told in many parts of the world, including Syria, China, India, ancient Greece and medieval Europe.
Dragons Dragonsare mentioned in the bible( http://dragonsinn.net/bible-1.htm )Whether you live in Cambodia or Scotland, Lithuania or America, you have probably heard of dragons. The eastern dragon, sometimes called Lung (in China) or Long (in Vietnam), may almost seem like a completely different creature than the Western Dragon.
Flood stories around the world support The Great Flood http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

There are over 500 storied of flood around the world.These flood stories are frequently linked by common elements that parallel the Biblical account including the warning of the coming flood, the construction of a boat in advance, the storage of animals, the inclusion of family, and the release of birds to determine if the water level had subsided. The overwhelming consistency among flood stories found in distant parts of the globe indicates they were derived from the same origin.
1) How could people from all around the world even think up a global flood and why would they need to?

2) How could the basic story parts as explained in the Bible be part of the global flood stories from all around the world?

3) How could most of these races who worship other Gods even know of the story of the global flood? Unless at one time they all worship the same God as explained in the Bible.

4) Without a Bible, what could they base their story on? e

I have to add more..
Giants stories

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
we have our local version of giants stories here in philippines but around the world we could here these stories.

http://www.authorsden.com/visit/view......15&id=18794

tree of knowledge

In the Book of Genesis, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (and occasionally translated as the Tree of Conscience, Hebrew עֵץ הַדַּעַת טוֹב וָרָע) was a tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:9) from which God directly forbade Adam (Eve having not yet been created) to eat (Genesis 2:17). A serpent later tempted Eve, who was aware of the prohibition, to eat the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (Genesis

1.To steal the apples of knowledge, the Greek hero Hercules had to slay a many-headed dragon Ladon.
2.In Mayan legends, it is a serpent in the roots that must be contended with. Similarly, the Naga, or divine serpent guards the Hindu Tree.

9. Antarctica connects India, It is possible for Antarctica before the earth divided was already in a lower latitude in order for the dolphin and polar life to survived.

Why there are Sea mountains and flat plains?
Flat plains was also form by the mud flow of the great flood
JOb 9: 5 He removes the mountains, and they do not know
When He overturns them in His anger;

6 He shakes the earth out of its place,
And its pillars tremble;


The ashen remains of Sodom & Gomorrah HAVE BEEN FOUND!!!
http://www.pinkoski.com/content/view/20/35/



PSALM 104,(King James Version) ascertained the fact and events which I wrote above.

6Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
The great flood.

26There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
29Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
This is the reason why leviathan died and other serpent.And the fossils we found in the dust were from them like dinosaurs.
30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
It is clear that God really change the face of the earth.

32 He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke. The reason why we cannot see tree above the hills.

Keith&Co.

How often does one describe a globe as 'stretched?'

The 'north' in this verse is the sky. The dome over the flat earth spread as a mud pie across the water below, keeping the waters above out of our living space. Kind of an inside-out snowglobe.
The dome stretches up and hangs upon nothing, floating in the chaos of water, water, everywhere.

Metaphors describe similar things, else they're useless as metaphor.

Round like a pancake is not the same as round like a ball.
The circle for the earth's shape is not that of a sphere.
The same passage describes Earth's sky as a tent. tent walls touch the ground. On a sphere, the sky doesn't.

The bible also describes the sky as being a solid thing that God walks upon.
The clouds are solid devices that would break under the strain of holding rainwater UNLESS god kept them up in the air and whole. Science has shown us, though, that clouds are actually made up of the rainwater they 'hold.'

There's no advanced sciences in the Bible. Sorry.

Keith&Co.

Frequently? Sometimes they're saved by a fish. Sometimes they repopulate the world by throwing stones over their shoulders that turn into people. Sometimes they just climb up into the sky until the flood waters pass.
The Flood Story in the OT is just one of many myths.
There is no overwhelming consistency. Have you ever compared the Egyptian account of the flood with the Old Testament's one?


Far more consistent than a flood story is the 'old world destroyed' myth. Sometimes it's fire, sometimes it's flood, sometimes ice. It's always a 'world used tobe fine until we pissed off the gods' story.

They're not, not once you actually start reading all the flood stories.

OR, it's a part of the human psyche? Civilizations that experienced regular floods as destructive used them as a sort of boogey man for their stories. Societies in central africa didn't have a flooding history, so their stories are based on the coal deposits they found. They say the old world was destroyed by Fire, look at the burned remains.

Same as any myth cycle, they wanted to explain the world around them in terms they could understand.
Only with a distant view can the various tales be justified as being consistent.

bong_0000007

Please have a wisdom.

How often does one describe a globe as 'stretched?'
North is a direction,and not a place.He strecthed an imaginary north into space.
The 'north' in this verse is the sky.
so I will go to north,like that or do to the south, the deep.
No it's not.
The dome over the flat earth spread as a mud pie across the water below, keeping the waters above out of our living space
nothing is water? What a great man is the author who makes the water to be nothing.
The circle for the earth's shape is not that of a sphere.
The same passage describes Earth's sky as a tent. tent walls touch the ground. On a sphere, the sky doesn't.
Circle,why the author should put cirle than plane.
Earth varies in meaning,sometimes it differ from world,and islands.
It may soil,continent,planet.

The bible also describes the sky as being a solid thing that God walks upon.
It spiritually says.YOU wont understand it.

The clouds are solid devices that would break under the strain of holding rainwater UNLESS god kept them up in the air and whole. Science has shown us, though, that clouds are actually made up of the rainwater they 'hold.'
Job knows that clouds are water.Read it.
He also knows water cycle.

Keith&Co.

That's not what the books says.

So, the imaginary north is now to be compared to the real compass north? Handy.

Hang something on water. Show me a painting held up by a hook in water, you might have a point. Water doesn't hold things up. But if you're going to hold Job up to scientific scrutiny, that's still in the same book as Genesis, which describes the way god made everything.

Better question, why didn't the author use ball, globe or sphere instead of circle? Circles are flat.

If you want the Books to be believed as holding some sort of truths in advance of the knowledge of the time, you can't just wave away any mistruths as being of spiritual nature.

[/QUOTE]No, the water cycle is not known to Job. I've read The Books. Rain comes down from windows in the sky, the waters above let fall. Hail comes from little chests god keeps above the sky, scooping them out when necessary.

Every description in The Books fits neatly with authors that felt that the Earth was flat. Spread out across the waters like a mud pie. If you go high enough, you can see every land. The winds only get as far as the edge of the dome, then turn around to go back to the north.
The sun, moon and stars run around INSIDE the dome of the sky. Stars that fall to earth are small enough that they don't burn up the whole globe.

bong_0000007

So, the imaginary north is now to be compared to the real compass north? Handy.
Interestingly,chinese invent compass 2000 BC.How knowledge of man done it without explaination from the higher being.Chinese maybe the original people of the world before the earth division.
So yes.
.Hang something on water. Show me a painting held up by a hook in water, you might have a point. Water doesn't hold things up. But if you're going to hold Job up to scientific scrutiny, that's still in the same book as Genesis, which describes the way god made everything.
Synonys of place,more exaggeration and Bible translation.

Better question, why didn't the author use ball, globe or sphere instead of circle? Circles are flat.

Circles is a synonym of sphere at that time.Why because they have no more representation of sphere than circle.

The winds only get as far as the edge of the dome, then turn around to go back to the north.
Can a wind goes down deep below the earth,?and goes up?
So you make South a place now?

BlessNot

You can also sit in the center of a circle or round surface while at the same time it is still flat.

A CD is also round and also flat. Does the bible mention anything about the earth being spherical? OF course not.




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Amaleq13

"circle" = chuwg

1) circle, circuit, compass
2) (BDB) vault (of the heavens)

All of the examples in #1 are flat circles rather than spheres and #2 is clearly a problem for you.

No, it doesn't. How far are east and west from each other on a sphere?

East and west are only far apart on a flat plain. They are part of a single continuum on a sphere.

bong_0000007

You can also sit in the center of a circle or round surface while at the same time it is still flat.
What the connection ?
What's that round or circle surface?
A CD is also round and also flat. Does the bible mention anything about the earth being spherical? OF course not.
I wrongly post round,its rather a sphere.
CD,common sense.


We need wisdom to have understanding,seek it.You can do it?Many are hypocrite but few have wisdom.

Keith&Co.

I think the compass you're referring to is the magnetic one. it's nothing requiring supernatural sponsors to notice that magnets always point to the same direction.

The 'compass of the earth,' though, refers to the device for drawing circles on a sheet of paper. Ever play with compasses in Geometry? Either way, this is still a reference to a flat surface.



I have no idea what you mean here.


Except they do. Read Job. God will ball you up and toss you to the edge of the world. Why did Job use 'ball' in that passage and not to describe a ball-shaped Earth? Because, maybe, they're not synonyms, and he was describing a flat earth?

Huh?


Frankly, i think you mislabled this thread. It's not the Bible where the Truth can be found. it's in the reader. You know that your planet is a sphere, and you want the Books to be perfect, so you find sphere in the text. Not hard, as long as you ignore or shift problematic verses to spiritual, metaphor, synonys [sic] or poetic references.
But the thread should be titled: Biblical Non-literalists can shoehorn truth into ancient passages.