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benja burns · 08-22-2005, 06:21 PM

I don't understand something...why does it matter whether Adam had a navel or not?

Nero's Boot · 08-22-2005, 06:46 PM

If he was not born of anything human, but was instead produced from the dirt via what I like to call "9th level cleric spells and the granted power of the Craft Domain" (props to whomever gets the joke), then he would not have a navel.

--he would be smooooooth-bellied, like some weird human/jellyfish hybrid NB

Toto · 08-22-2005, 06:55 PM

Check out the previous threads on this vital question:

Did Adam And Eve Have A Belly Button ?

Adam's Navel

benja burns · 08-22-2005, 07:07 PM

Ok, I've read those two threads and I still don't understand. Why does it matter if Adam and Eve had a navel? I don't see why it's such an important question.

seebs · 08-22-2005, 09:45 PM

The theory is that if Adam didn't have a navel, then Adam was not born the conventional way. If Adam had a navel, then Adam was probably born the conventional way.

I'm not sure I find the second part of that convincing, but it's possible anyway.

benja burns · 08-23-2005, 08:28 AM

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The theory is that if Adam didn't have a navel, then Adam was not born the conventional way. If Adam had a navel, then Adam was probably born the conventional way.

Well, God just made him out of the dust so he wasn't born the conventional way. Couldn't he have just given him a navel?

Chili · 08-23-2005, 08:50 AM

How can Adam have a navel if he has no body? Adam was created in Gen.3 by the conscious mind only (there called Tree of Knowledge) as our second identity whereupon we built our self worth as human beings. This second identity is banned from Eden from where it can have an influence upon the Tree of Life that remains in charge of our body as man in the image of God.

Mageth · 08-23-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by benja burns

Ok, I've read those two threads and I still don't understand. Why does it matter if Adam and Eve had a navel? I don't see why it's such an important question.

Well, there's your problem. It's not an important question.

benja burns · 08-23-2005, 10:57 AM

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Well, there's your problem. It's not an important question.

I didn't think it was. I've just heard a lot of people talking about it like it is really important.

Toto · 08-23-2005, 11:09 AM

If you are sure that God made Adam out of dust and could have made a funtionless navel if he wanted, you don't have a problem. If you are reasonably sure that mankind evolved from lower primates, there was no Adam, and no problem. But if you are uncertain about any of this, or if you think that God could not have made Adam with a functionless navel (while he gave Adam nipples and also incorporated all sorts of other design defects and odd features), then this question might seem important to you.

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benja burns Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Lewistown, PA Posts: 214	Adam's Navel I don't understand something...why does it matter whether Adam had a navel or not?

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08-22-2005, 06:46 PM	#2
Nero's Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,234	If he was not born of anything human, but was instead produced from the dirt via what I like to call "9th level cleric spells and the granted power of the Craft Domain" (props to whomever gets the joke), then he would not have a navel. --he would be smooooooth-bellied, like some weird human/jellyfish hybrid NB

08-22-2005, 06:55 PM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Check out the previous threads on this vital question: Did Adam And Eve Have A Belly Button ? Adam's Navel

08-22-2005, 07:07 PM	#4
benja burns Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Lewistown, PA Posts: 214	Ok, I've read those two threads and I still don't understand. Why does it matter if Adam and Eve had a navel? I don't see why it's such an important question.

08-22-2005, 09:45 PM	#5
seebs Contributor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 24,524	The theory is that if Adam didn't have a navel, then Adam was not born the conventional way. If Adam had a navel, then Adam was probably born the conventional way. I'm not sure I find the second part of that convincing, but it's possible anyway.

08-23-2005, 08:50 AM	#7
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	How can Adam have a navel if he has no body? Adam was created in Gen.3 by the conscious mind only (there called Tree of Knowledge) as our second identity whereupon we built our self worth as human beings. This second identity is banned from Eden from where it can have an influence upon the Tree of Life that remains in charge of our body as man in the image of God.

08-23-2005, 11:09 AM	#10
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	If you are sure that God made Adam out of dust and could have made a funtionless navel if he wanted, you don't have a problem. If you are reasonably sure that mankind evolved from lower primates, there was no Adam, and no problem. But if you are uncertain about any of this, or if you think that God could not have made Adam with a functionless navel (while he gave Adam nipples and also incorporated all sorts of other design defects and odd features), then this question might seem important to you.

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