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12-13-2007, 12:50 PM | #11 |
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Another element overlooked in dealing with matter of "freewill" is the abilty of spirits, evil or good, to take possession of a person, as described in the Bible.
These supernatural entities can render the freewill of a person to be completely useless, and this possession can occur at birth or at childhood, based on the Bible, and remain with such a person until death unless exorcised. See Mark9.17-29. Once there are supernatural beings, as described in the Bible, then "freewill" cannot be determined. |
12-13-2007, 02:36 PM | #12 |
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The author of 2 Peter clearly understood that we can act against God's will, and thus are free.
2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance Paul concurs, though he undestands that God is transcendant and "knows" the decision each person will make (but being beyond time and space God isn't limited to our understanding of causality and knowledge). Hence: 2 Thessalonians 2:10 - and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved |
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But Paul understands God as a transcendant being beyond time and space and causality as we know it. Thus he can talk about predestination and free will, and does. That's because, like a hologram, it depends from what perspective you are viewing human action. From our pespective, we are always free. From the perspective of how we would see us if we were God and knew all things, our actions would appear "predestined" based on our understanding of causality. |
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12-13-2007, 08:08 PM | #14 |
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Or, we could follow the simpler route and simply accept that at least one of the Bible authors was writing literature rather than religion.
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