Sheshbazzar

Not a chance.

Chili

Not a chance, the proof is is in the pudding, that is easy to see if you look at the number 7 and see the son born unto him who was the 1 when this all first began.

Then, opposite of 'going the other way' instead of coming full circle in the number 2, here now in the second go-around he is destined to come full circle in the number 8. The problem with the number 8 is that there is 'two of them' and this is one too many, some would say, and so one of them must be crucified in 9 to die in the number 10 so he can be raised again as God and Lord God of his own in the number 11, I would say.

Of course there is a lot more to say on this, but if the seventh day is wrong also the everlasting day is wrong and the 7 should not even be.

One solution here would be to try Hindu or Buddhism on for size where the Charkras would confuse you even more, and yet will find that silly 7 again as the day when Yen begins on our second go-around in life.

Sheshbazzar

The reason is the ancient and invariable 3x4x5 BUILDERS RULE This why so many objects in the Bible are described in rectilinear measures
Employing 'perfect and equal' measures (units or 'digits') A right angle is formed by 3 and 4 units, whose 'sum' is always 7

The diagonal 'line' (think of a 'builders line -as occurs in prophecy) is 5 equal units of the same measure. The perimeter or 'sum' of a right triangle so formed is always 12 equi-distant units.
The multiple or 'product' will always be 60 equal units. 3x4x5=60

This is the basic the math that was used in laying out the ancient ziggurauts and the pyramids.
It was, and it remains, an invariable 'sacred' principle used in any manner of building that is constructed or invisioned of as being 'foursquare' and 'upright' or eternal. (because the maths are)

To these ancient civilizations this principal also applied to the calculations of -time- and of distance.

Those somewhat familiar with The Bible will be aware of the two great annual 'observances' that ended on the 15th day of the first, and of the seventh 'month' of the year.
15 days completes a cycle of 360 hours. Six such cycles adds up to 90 days or 2160 hours.
Note that this is the exact number of degrees represented by the six 'faces' of a perfect cube. A seventh plane or 'face' is not part of that perfect cube, and is thus 'set apart'.
So to this 90 day 2160 hour (or degree) structure add another 15 days or 360 hours.
The total number of days will then be 105 days or 15 weeks or 2520 hours.
If considered in the form of squares or 'faces', and cubes, with every seventh face 'set apart' (won't fit the preceeding six faced cube) this time structure will consist of 15 units of six faces (perfect cubes) of 144 hours (the 'work' week) or 90 days or 2160 hours that are NOT 'set apart'.
And another 15 days or 360 hours that ARE 'set' apart.
That is to say 15 weeks has 15 sabbaths and thus completes a cycle of 360 hours of rest.

(the English is a little weak to convey the idea but the principal is, that once one forms a perfect cube of 6 days or 144 hours answering to the six faces of a cube -STOP- ('rest') -'set apart'- one 24 hour period) and do this repeatedly in 15 week cycles.

Now back to that 15 week or 2520 hour measure. The precise middle is 7.5 weeks or 52.5 days or 1260 hours (the 24th part of 1260 days) Because these measurements are based upon the fundamental laws of geometry ('earth-measure') they are precise to the minute and to the second.

The digits human 'hand' come into this, as anciently the finger, hand, and arm were (are) units of measure employed in measuring and in calculating.

For example, your 10 fingers (digits) 1-10 sucessively multiplied; 1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x10 give a product 3,628,800 The exact number of minutes in 360 weeks. (which also quite obviously, can be subdivided into 10 units of 36 weeks or 36 units of 10 weeks)

Both the 'old' and 'new' Testaments are rife with subtle refernces to, and plays upon these mathematical and geometrical principals.
Anyone can take this basic information and run with it. Buy a measuring line, a builders plummet, a square and a cheap pocket calculator. You may be amazed at what you can discover.

semiopen

My question about the Shabbat is related to when the practice of the Seven-day_week began.

It stands to reason that the current structure (separated from the lunar cycle) started after the 6th century BCE.

This suggests a post exilic date for Genesis 1, which I think is the academic consensus in any case.

Assuming this idea is correct, there is an issue with the mention of Shabbat in the Torah.

For example with the Ten Commandments

was probably inserted after the exile (assuming the commandments existed prior to that).

Deuteronomy 5: is a little different
5:14 is neutral about Shabbat being once a week. The second verse in both Exodus and Deuteronomy is also neutral except for the mention of the seventh day at the beginning.

I've been looking for stuff on this for seceral years but must not have been doing it very well.

Sheshbazzar

You have the the idea simiopen, but have not yet invested enough time in the comprehending of the details.
Neither the lunar nor solar months and years divide into neat 7, 14, 21, or 28 day periods.
So the 'common' manner of men has always been to simply fudge the figures, or to 'adjust' the calendar by the means of religious or Royal decrees.
This manner of timekeeping came about as a fallout from the decay and fall of ancient civilizations, and the resulting loss of that body of accumulated knowledge of the unchanging principals on which the worlds oldest cultures and religions over many thousands of years developed precision timekeeping.

I will point out the fact that these ancient Mesopotanian civilizations were all built on the principal of a 360 day year divided into 12 equal 30 day months.
Now obviously this did not, and does not at all 'track', with the actual lunar and solar cycles.
Does that mean these peoples were simply too primative and ignorant to notice the difference?
Or does it not rather indicate that they had developed a working system, a 'set apart' sacred calendar, that accounted for, and incorporated all of these differences?
A calendar that operated with absolute precision over much longer spans of time?
I have been working with this stuff intensively for over 37 years, not bragging, but I have been certainly doing well enough.

The details however certainly go beyond the limits of this thread.

sotto voce

Feel free!

semiopen

Sotto states in Life of Pi

I'd hate to restart the conversation again there.

FEASTS, NEW MOONS, AND SABBATHS COLOSSIANS 2:16

Gives a list of places where the New Moon / Sabbath construct occurs.

In Rosh_Chodesh -

Numbers 10:10 [JPS] Psalm 81:4 [JPS] Seems like the brothers stopped doing the full moon thing before Numbers 10:10.

Chili

As long as days are numbered the final day will come, which is why Sunday is the seventh day to be the everlasting day when eternal life begins.

To me it is a major parodox that in Christian America Sunday is the first day of the week, . . . as if for them the everlasting day has not arrived, nor has it to anyone, ever, or he would have said how wrong they are.

What in fact they are doing is denying the very Son they worship, and maybe that is why they call him Jesus instead of Christ and paint a beard on him.

Sheshbazzar

אמת
אמת
אמת ונאמן׃

The prophet has written.

As long as mankind continues observing the seven day week, that great First Day of that never ending new world has not yet arrived.

The countdown continues. Every grain of sand in the great hourglass is numbered, and so they flow; 24_144_168_180_360_1440_2160_2520_518400_3628800_2 17728000_25401600_25920000.
Tick Tock The Book keeper knows.

The drunken and lazy students slumber right through their daily lessons.
Even if a teacher should smack them with The Book to awaken them, their response is; ....duh.. huh? what? what? WTF?
How many of such ought to be passed, to graduate, or to ever receive a good degree?

How many tons of worthless crushed rock must be removed and tossed aside to find a single diamond?
At the mine we have a schedule to meet. And when the mine becomes unproductive it must be closed.

Chili

It is a profound statement they make wherein they put Sunday first as the day of obligation, where as the seventh day is the day of liberation. The seventh day is the day on which evening did not follow and and so is the eternal day that gained assent in Gen.2 for it to 'be,' with substance as real.