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Clivedurdle · 01-21-2009, 10:21 AM

It is a religious war! The Celtic influenced Babylonians and Brits (the Barbarians with Asterix )versus the Romano- Greek Catholic Pythagorean French!

Clivedurdle · 01-21-2009, 10:25 AM

Except a really confused one, with 3, 12 and 7 next to 153!

Syncretism?

bacht · 01-21-2009, 10:41 AM

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The sefer yetzirah is a work of the rabbinic period probably c 500 CE. It is not evidence for the origin of the Sabbath.

Andrew Criddle

A 28 day moon cycle is conveniently divisible into quarters. Most 'old' measurements are divisible by 2 or powers of 2, or sometimes 3 as well. The notion of 10 as a divisor is not 'natural'.

Is there any evidence that the lunar cycle was at the root of the seven day week or the origin of the sabbath?

Clivedurdle · 01-22-2009, 05:01 AM

Sorry? That is what the OP shows! Google the lecturer!

semiopen · 01-22-2009, 06:04 AM

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A 28 day moon cycle is conveniently divisible into quarters. Most 'old' measurements are divisible by 2 or powers of 2, or sometimes 3 as well. The notion of 10 as a divisor is not 'natural'.

Is there any evidence that the lunar cycle was at the root of the seven day week or the origin of the sabbath?

I'm not an expert in this subject and the details are difficult for my short attention span.

The lunar cycle discussed here seems questionable (to use football terminology - as a step above doubtful). As I've pointed out the lunar cycle is 29 days not 28; this is not a deal breaker but the lunar cycle argument would be much stronger if it was 28.

The link below discusses the seven visible planets (including the sun and moon) and suggest this is the origin. I think, this has been touched upon by some other posters here, although, again, it may be possible to reconcile this to the lunar cycle.

http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/hlwc/why_seven.htm

squiz · 01-22-2009, 06:28 AM

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America is the only country in the world, AFAIK, to reject metrication almost completely. Even in Canada, where many goods are priced by the pound, your receipt shows metric only. The UK has a half assed imperial system for driving but is generally metric.

Actually we reject it in the UK too. Our masters think differently, however, and have been cramming it down our throats. Not that any of us have any idea what a kilogram is anyway.

Funny that the British have such a problem with going metric, whereas the Australians went metric cold-turkey in the early 70s with few problems. I guess we're just not such rebels as the Poms. :Cheeky:

Clivedurdle · 01-22-2009, 06:42 AM

Where might the Islamic habit of praying five times a day have come from?

Toto · 01-22-2009, 10:37 AM

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Where might the Islamic habit of praying five times a day have come from?

That comes from the Qur'an.

Interestingly, I just heard a lecture from an ethnologist who visited Tajikistan, who thought that Islam there was a thin layer over the original Persian-influenced Zoroastrian sun worship. The Muslim Tajikis pray twice a day - at sunrise and sunset.

Perhaps the five times a day includes the original sunrise and sunset, plus a division of that time at noon, plus another equal division of the day.

Clivedurdle · 01-22-2009, 12:12 PM

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That comes from the Qur'an.

Ok, then it was the Angel Gabriel's idea originally?

Or the Angel Satan?

andrewcriddle · 01-22-2009, 01:36 PM

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The link below discusses the seven visible planets (including the sun and moon) and suggest this is the origin. I think, this has been touched upon by some other posters here, although, again, it may be possible to reconcile this to the lunar cycle.

http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/hlwc/why_seven.htm

The modern week has in effect two origins.
1/ The Ancient seven day cycle among the Jews
2/ An Astrological week based on the seven then known planets which was invented in the very early imperial period ie very late BCE or very early CE.

(These two origins may not be entirely independent but the links if any between them are obscure.)

See The Week by Colson.

Andrew Criddle

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	Except a really confused one, with 3, 12 and 7 next to 153! Syncretism?

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